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Thanks so much, I can get there from here. It looks about right. Just =
roughing it out in my head if I moved the intake lobe center to 104 =
I=E2=80=99d be right about there. I think I=E2=80=99m going to give it a =
try at 108 and get some dyno time to play with it.=20
> On Jun 14, 2016, at 8:33 PM, Preston Kaenel <kaenel@pacbell.net> =
wrote:
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> Attached are two cam cards.
> BFE #23 lobe profile(.376 lift) on 108deg lobe center
> BFE #24 lobe profile(.370lift) on 108deg lobe center
>=20
> To my knowledge these are the only two lobe profiles over the last 20 =
years for BFE cams both with Steve and prior with Babe Erson. Lobe =
centers have varied from 103 to 108. Even with inverted math your lobe =
center math should be accurate. If the attachments get stripped, I'll =
send them to you directly. Don't get much TR time these day, but saw =
this and hopefully could help a bit.
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> Preston
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> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 7:58 PM, Bill Babcock <ponobill@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>=20
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> It=E2=80=99s the cam that was working so well. Pretty sure it=E2=80=99s =
a BFE, but no, I=E2=80=9Dm not letting this go until I know. Right now =
the numbers are totally screwball, but I=E2=80=99ll figure it out.=20
>=20
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>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:46 PM, Kas Kastner <kaskastner@gmail.com =
>>=20
>> It is difficult for me to believe that Bill is just going to say "oh =
what the hell, I'll just put it in" :-)
>>=20
>> Never be beaten by equipment.
>>=20
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Bill Babcock <ponobill@gmail.com =
>> Searching around on the web, it kind of looks like a TilTech 298Dx, =
but I don=E2=80=99t recall buying a cam from Larry and Tony Garmey =
doesn=E2=80=99t think so either. I could just set it up as if it were, =
but it would be good to know.
>>=20
>>=20
>> > On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:40 AM, Bill Babcock <ponobill@gmail.com =
>> >
>> > Oh, and the lift is .372
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Bill Babcock <ponobill@gmail.com =
>> >>
>> >> I=E2=80=99m building a new motor for Peyote from the bits of =
it=E2=80=99s previous engine. I discovered the front main bearing cap =
was cracked in half when I decided to freshen the motor. I=E2=80=99ll =
work on replacing the cap later=E2=80=94maybe get a billet one made, but =
in the meantime I=E2=80=99ve run into a minor problem. I don=E2=80=99t =
know for sure what cam I have or how it should be set. Tony Garmey says =
it=E2=80=99s a BFE cam, but I can=E2=80=99t find any specs for those and =
can=E2=80=99t get ahold of Ken.
>> >>
>> >> I ballparked where I think the cam might want to be and got this =
for measurements:
>> >>
>> >> Reading the Intake and exhaust valve movement from the spring =
retainers I use 0.033=E2=80=9D as the open/close height which is =
.050/1.45 which as I recall is the ratio of the stock rockers=E2=80=9D
>> >> Intake open .033 @ 36 BTC
>> >> Intaake close .033=E2=80=9D @ 76 ABC
>> >> Exhaust open .033=E2=80=9D @ 76 ABC
>> >> Exhaust close .033=E2=80=9D @ 42 ATC
>> >>
>> >> By my calculations that gives:
>> >> Intake duration 292.0 degrees
>> >> Exhaust duration 298 degrees
>> >> Intake lobe center 110.0 ATC
>> >> Exhaust lobe center 107 BTC
>> >> Overlap 78
>> >> Lobe separation angle 108.5
>> >>
>> >> Pretty sure this isn=E2=80=99t exactly where it needs to be. I =
have a vernier sprocket so I can adjust the timing precisely. My =
questions are:
>> >>
>> >> What cam is this?
>> >> Where should it be set?
>> >> How much advance?
>> >
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Thanks so much, I can get there from here. It looks about =
right. Just roughing it out in my head if I moved the intake lobe center =
to 104 I=E2=80=99d be right about there. I think I=E2=80=99m going to =
give it a try at 108 and get some dyno time to play with it. <div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jun 14, 2016, at 8:33 PM, Preston Kaenel <<a =
href=3D"mailto:kaenel@pacbell.net"; class=3D"">kaenel@pacbell.net</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); =
font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida =
Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" class=3D""><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465790522807_22258" class=3D""><span =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465790522807_22257" class=3D"">Attached are two =
cam cards.</span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465790522807_22438" =
class=3D""><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465790522807_22437" =
class=3D"">BFE #23 lobe profile(.376 lift) on 108deg lobe =
center</span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465790522807_22455" =
class=3D""><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465790522807_22456" =
class=3D"">BFE #24 lobe profile(.370lift) on 108deg lobe =
center</span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465790522807_22531" =
class=3D""><span class=3D""></span><br class=3D""></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465790522807_22533" dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><span =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465790522807_22532" class=3D"">To my knowledge =
these are the only two lobe profiles over the last 20 years for BFE cams =
both with Steve and prior with Babe Erson. Lobe centers have varied from =
103 to 108. Even with inverted math your lobe center math should be =
accurate. If the attachments get stripped, I'll send them to you =
directly. Don't get much TR time these day, but saw this and hopefully =
could help a bit.</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><span =
class=3D""></span><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"">Preston</span></div> <div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR"><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"yahoo_quoted" =
style=3D"display: block;"> <div style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, =
Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: =
16px;" class=3D""> <div style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica =
Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" =
class=3D""> <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2" =
class=3D""> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 7:58 PM, Bill Babcock <<a =
href=3D"mailto:ponobill@gmail.com"; class=3D"">ponobill@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<br class=3D""></font></div> <br class=3D""><br class=3D""> <div =
class=3D"y_msg_container"><div id=3D"yiv9602555093" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">It=E2=80=99s the cam that was working so well. Pretty sure =
it=E2=80=99s a BFE, but no, I=E2=80=9Dm not letting this go until I =
know. Right now the numbers are totally screwball, but I=E2=80=99ll =
figure it out. <div class=3D"yiv9602555093"><br =
class=3D"yiv9602555093"></div><div class=3D"yiv9602555093"><br =
class=3D"yiv9602555093"><div class=3D""><blockquote =
class=3D"yiv9602555093" type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"yiv9602555093">On =
Jun 14, 2016, at 1:46 PM, Kas Kastner <<a class=3D"yiv9602555093" =
href=3D"mailto:kaskastner@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:kaskastner@gmail.com";>kaskastner@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"yiv9602555093Apple-interchange-newline"><div =
class=3D"yiv9602555093"><div class=3D"yiv9602555093" dir=3D"ltr">It is =
difficult for me to believe that Bill is just going to say "oh what the =
hell, I'll just put it in" :-)</div><div =
class=3D"yiv9602555093gmail_extra"><br class=3D"yiv9602555093" =
clear=3D"all"><div class=3D"yiv9602555093"><div =
class=3D"yiv9602555093gmail_signature"><div =
class=3D"yiv9602555093"><strong class=3D"yiv9602555093"><font =
class=3D"yiv9602555093" color=3D"#000099">Never be beaten by =
equipment.</font></strong></div></div></div>
<br class=3D"yiv9602555093"><div class=3D"yiv9602555093gmail_quote">On =
Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Bill Babcock <span class=3D"yiv9602555093" =
dir=3D"ltr"><<a class=3D"yiv9602555093" =
href=3D"mailto:ponobill@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:ponobill@gmail.com";>ponobill@gmail.com</a>></span> =
wrote:<br class=3D"yiv9602555093"><blockquote =
class=3D"yiv9602555093gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; =
padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); =
border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;">Searching around on =
the web, it kind of looks like a TilTech 298Dx, but I don=E2=80=99t =
recall buying a cam from Larry and Tony Garmey doesn=E2=80=99t think so =
either. I could just set it up as if it were, but it would be good to =
know.<br class=3D"yiv9602555093">
<br class=3D"yiv9602555093">
<br class=3D"yiv9602555093">
> On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:40 AM, Bill Babcock <<a =
class=3D"yiv9602555093" href=3D"mailto:ponobill@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:ponobill@gmail.com";>ponobill@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<br class=3D"yiv9602555093">
><br class=3D"yiv9602555093">
> Oh, and the lift is .372<br class=3D"yiv9602555093">
><br class=3D"yiv9602555093">
><br class=3D"yiv9602555093">
>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Bill Babcock <<a =
class=3D"yiv9602555093" href=3D"mailto:ponobill@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:ponobill@gmail.com";>ponobill@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<br class=3D"yiv9602555093">
>><br class=3D"yiv9602555093">
>> I=E2=80=99m building a new motor for Peyote from the bits of =
it=E2=80=99s previous engine. I discovered the front main bearing cap =
was cracked in half when I decided to freshen the motor. I=E2=80=99ll =
work on replacing the cap later=E2=80=94maybe get a billet one made, but =
in the meantime I=E2=80=99ve run into a minor problem. I don=E2=80=99t =
know for sure what cam I have or how it should be set. Tony Garmey =
says it=E2=80=99s a BFE cam, but I can=E2=80=99t find any specs for =
those and can=E2=80=99t get ahold of Ken.<br class=3D"yiv9602555093">
>><br class=3D"yiv9602555093">
>> I ballparked where I think the cam might want to be and got =
this for measurements:<br class=3D"yiv9602555093">
>><br class=3D"yiv9602555093">
>> Reading the Intake and exhaust valve movement from the spring =
retainers I use 0.033=E2=80=9D as the open/close height which is =
.050/1.45 which as I recall is the ratio of the stock rockers=E2=80=9D<br =
class=3D"yiv9602555093">
>> Intake open .033 @ 36 BTC<br class=3D"yiv9602555093">
>> Intaake close .033=E2=80=9D @ 76 ABC<br class=3D"yiv9602555093">
>> Exhaust open .033=E2=80=9D @ 76 ABC<br class=3D"yiv9602555093">
>> Exhaust close .033=E2=80=9D @ 42 ATC<br class=3D"yiv9602555093">
>><br class=3D"yiv9602555093">
>> By my calculations that gives:<br class=3D"yiv9602555093">
>> Intake duration 292.0 degrees<br class=3D"yiv9602555093">
>> Exhaust duration 298 degrees<br class=3D"yiv9602555093">
>> Intake lobe center 110.0 ATC<br class=3D"yiv9602555093">
>> Exhaust lobe center 107 BTC<br class=3D"yiv9602555093">
>> Overlap 78<br class=3D"yiv9602555093">
>> Lobe separation angle 108.5<br class=3D"yiv9602555093">
>><br class=3D"yiv9602555093">
>> Pretty sure this isn=E2=80=99t exactly where it needs to be. I =
have a vernier sprocket so I can adjust the timing precisely. My =
questions are:<br class=3D"yiv9602555093">
>><br class=3D"yiv9602555093">
>> What cam is this?<br class=3D"yiv9602555093">
>> Where should it be set?<br class=3D"yiv9602555093">
>> How much advance?<br class=3D"yiv9602555093">
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