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Scott, I think they are more than double that but you get what you pay =
for.
I weighed all my Venolias when I got them new and they were all dead =
equal; right on their spec.
I have a more conservative redline in the TR6, 6000, but it will easily =
go beyond that.
Happy New Year everyone.
Bill
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Scott Janzen=20
To: Spitfire Racing=20
Cc: FOT list=20
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Opinion needed on GT6 pistons
I've had a set of Venolia Pistons in my race GT6 for probably eight =
years. Just measured the skirt dimension against an unused spare- =
0.6/1,000 of wear, max. They'll be going back in the engine again with =
new rings. My recollection is they are about $75 each.
My routine redline is 7,000 rpm.
Sent from my mobile device=20
On Jan 4, 2016, at 5:07 AM, Spitfire Racing =
<spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
I did an engine rebuild for a GT-6 owner on his occasional track car =
and against my recommendation he wanted the cheaper option of County =
pistons. I had suggested using either J&E; Aries or Venolia forged =
pistons but he didn=E2=80=99t want to =E2=80=9Cspend that much=E2=80=9D. =
I found their weights to be less uniform but in all honesty to the best =
of my awareness the engine is still running. These are made in China and =
given how nervous they made me, I don=E2=80=99t think I would do another =
build using them. The builder is always held responsible for any failure =
regardless of cause. When I build a Spitfire engine using proper forged =
pistons we dyno test at 7800. I would be nervous doing that with County =
pistons.
I will say I admit to having general misgivings about anything made in =
China but that=E2=80=99s based on experience. Why risk your reputation =
and the expense of a total build by using cheap pistons. It=E2=80=99s a =
false economy. I dreaded every time the phone rang for a month after =
delivering the car, but in this instance they seemingly met the =
requirement. It takes years to build a reputation but it can be lost in =
mere minutes.
County pistons may work for street car applications but are a risky =
choice for the rigors of racing. Spinning a bearing indicates either =
poor clearances or an oiling deficiency. A proper rebuild should check =
and correct only everything! Don=E2=80=99t assume the one problem you =
find is the only problem. Shortcuts predictably end up in expensive =
disaster.
I=E2=80=99ll step off the soap box now!
Choose wisely!
Russ Moore
Spitfire #49
From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Gray
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2016 9:58 PM
To: 'FOT list'
Subject: [Fot] Opinion needed on GT6 pistons
I=E2=80=99m rebuilding and engine for a fellow club member and need to =
get an opinion on County pistons.
The last =E2=80=9C rebuild=E2=80=9D only lasted minutes on track until =
it spun a bearing. The pistons were new
for the last build. Since I have no experience with the County brand =
I=E2=80=99d like to know from the collective=20
if they are descent racing pistons.
Thanks as always,
Jim g
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Scott, I think they are more than =
double that but=20
you get what you pay for.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>I weighed all my Venolias when I =
got them new=20
and they were all dead equal; right on their spec.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>I have a more conservative redline in =
the TR6,=20
6000, but it will easily go beyond that.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Happy New Year everyone.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Bill</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dsjanzen@me.com href=3D"mailto:sjanzen@me.com";>Scott =
Janzen</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dspitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 04, 2016 =
8:16=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Opinion =
needed on GT6=20
pistons</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I've had a set of Venolia Pistons in my race GT6 for probably =
eight=20
years. Just measured the skirt dimension against an unused spare- =
=20
0.6/1,000 of wear, max. They'll be going back in the engine =
again with=20
new rings. My recollection is they are about $75 each.<BR>My routine =
redline=20
is 7,000 rpm.</DIV>
<DIV><BR>Sent from my mobile device </DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Jan 4, 2016, at 5:07 AM, Spitfire Racing <<A=20
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: #1f497d">I did an engine =
rebuild for a=20
GT-6 owner on his occasional track car and against my recommendation =
he wanted=20
the cheaper option of County pistons. I had suggested using either =
J&E;=20
Aries or Venolia forged pistons but he didn=E2=80=99t want to =
=E2=80=9Cspend that much=E2=80=9D. I=20
found their weights to be less uniform but in all honesty to the best =
of my=20
awareness the engine is still running. These are made in China and =
given how=20
nervous they made me, I don=E2=80=99t think I would do another build =
using them. The=20
builder is always held responsible for any failure regardless of =
cause. When I=20
build a Spitfire engine using proper forged pistons we dyno test at =
7800. I=20
would be nervous doing that with County pistons.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
#1f497d"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: #1f497d">I will say I admit =
to having=20
general misgivings about anything made in China but that=E2=80=99s =
based on=20
experience. Why risk your reputation and the expense of a total build =
by using=20
cheap pistons. It=E2=80=99s a false economy. I dreaded every time the =
phone rang for a=20
month after delivering the car, but in this instance they seemingly =
met the=20
requirement. It takes years to build a reputation but it can be lost =
in mere=20
minutes.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
#1f497d"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: #1f497d">County pistons may =
work for=20
street car applications but are a risky choice for the rigors of =
racing.=20
Spinning a bearing indicates either poor clearances or an oiling =
deficiency. A=20
proper rebuild should check and correct only everything! Don=E2=80=99t =
assume the one=20
problem you find is the only problem. Shortcuts predictably end up in=20
expensive disaster.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: #1f497d">I=E2=80=99ll step =
off the soap box=20
now!<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: #1f497d">Choose=20
wisely!<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
#1f497d"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: #1f497d">Russ=20
Moore<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: #1f497d">Spitfire=20
#49<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Jim Gray<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 03, 2016 =
9:58=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'FOT list'<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Fot] Opinion needed on =
GT6=20
pistons<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99m rebuilding and engine for a fellow =
club member and need=20
to get an opinion on County pistons.<O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>The last =E2=80=9C rebuild=E2=80=9D only lasted =
minutes on track until it=20
spun a bearing. The pistons were new<O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>for the last build. Since I have no experience =
with the=20
County brand I=E2=80=99d like to know from the collective =
<O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>if they are descent racing =
pistons.<O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks as always,<O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>Jim g<O:P></O:P></P></DIV></DIV>
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