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To add to what Bill said, those who are 50 today were born in 1965 and =
when they were old enough to notice cars, what was there to get excited =
about? 1974 to 1984 must have been the deadest years for interesting =
cars other than during WWII. But I disagree about TR3s. I=E2=80=99m 60 =
and my 64 year old brother and his friends all had inexpensive MGBs, =
TR3s, Morgans, Sprites, etc. so those were on my radar early. My age =
group may be getting smaller but more worrisome, on many levels, is that =
so many of my peers may not be able to afford to retire for a very long =
time, and if they can=E2=80=99t afford to retire, they probably can=E2=80=99=
t afford to chase a dream of vintage racing.
Duncan
> On Nov 1, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Bill Babcock <Bill@ponostyle.com> wrote:
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> Agreed. The fastest path to the end of vintage racing is to fail to =
understand that our vintage is not everyone=E2=80=99s vintage. The magic =
age for amateur race car drivers is 40=E2=80=94old enough to have money =
to do it, young enough to want to. People who are 40 today were born in =
1975 and probably didn=E2=80=99t care anything about cars until 1985. =
Teenagers who lusted after a TR3 are 70 and older=E2=80=94less than nine =
percent of the population and getting smaller fast.=20
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> I don=E2=80=99t care nearly as much about what cars I run on the track =
with as I do about having races to run. The grids in American vintage =
racing have changed forever already=E2=80=94not because more modern cars =
are permitted, but because a lot of the cars that came to even local =
races are too valuable to risk, or too expensive to maintain, or just =
tired of racing against =E2=80=9Cvintage=E2=80=9D production cars that =
turn non-vintage lap times.=20
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>> On Nov 1, 2015, at 10:45 AM, Terry Stetler <tlizzard@msn.com =
>>=20
>> As someone with CRX on track experience, and also a guy that loves =
his street TR3 and keeps one very fast race TR3 going, I don't think =
that dissing the modern sports cars is really good for us overall.
>> =20
>> As has been mentioned previously, interest in "our" cars is fading, =
as is interest in automobile enthusiasm in general. Now is not the time =
for "interservice rivalry", as it were. We need to embrace all of the =
many forms
>> that are the sportscar, and indeed motorcar enthusiasm in general. =
We need to keep our love alive, and to bring up another couple =
generations of enthusiasts who will come to cherish "our" cars, and keep =
them alive well into the future.
>> =20
>> Oh, the spec Miata lap record at Mid Ohio is now down to a hair over =
1:40. Just sayin', and that was not done by bumping each other, but by =
proper application of good driving skills.
>> =20
>> =20
>> Terry Stetler
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class=3D"">To add to what Bill said, those who are 50 today were born in =
1965 and when they were old enough to notice cars, what was there to get =
excited about? 1974 to 1984 must have been the deadest years for =
interesting cars other than during WWII. But I disagree about =
TR3s. I=E2=80=99m 60 and my 64 year old brother and his friends =
all had inexpensive MGBs, TR3s, Morgans, Sprites, etc. so those were on =
my radar early. My age group may be getting smaller but more =
worrisome, on many levels, is that so many of my peers may not be able =
to afford to retire for a very long time, and if they can=E2=80=99t =
afford to retire, they probably can=E2=80=99t afford to chase a dream of =
vintage racing.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Duncan</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Nov 1, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Bill Babcock <<a =
href=3D"mailto:Bill@ponostyle.com"; class=3D"">Bill@ponostyle.com</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
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class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Agreed. The =
fastest path to the end of vintage racing is to fail to understand that =
our vintage is not everyone=E2=80=99s vintage. The magic age for amateur =
race car drivers is 40=E2=80=94old enough to have money to do it, young =
enough to want to. People who are 40 today were born in 1975 and =
probably didn=E2=80=99t care anything about cars until 1985. Teenagers =
who lusted after a TR3 are 70 and older=E2=80=94less than nine percent =
of the population and getting smaller fast. <div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">I don=E2=80=99t care nearly as much about =
what cars I run on the track with as I do about having races to run. The =
grids in American vintage racing have changed forever already=E2=80=94not =
because more modern cars are permitted, but because a lot of the cars =
that came to even local races are too valuable to risk, or too expensive =
to maintain, or just tired of racing against =E2=80=9Cvintage=E2=80=9D =
production cars that turn non-vintage lap times. </div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Nov 1, 2015, at 10:45 AM, Terry Stetler <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tlizzard@msn.com"; class=3D"">tlizzard@msn.com</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
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none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><div class=3D"">As someone =
with CRX on track experience, and also a guy that loves his street TR3 =
and keeps one very fast race TR3 going, I don't think that dissing the =
modern sports cars is really good for us overall.</div><div =
class=3D""> </div><div class=3D"">As has been mentioned previously, =
interest in "our" cars is fading, as is interest in automobile =
enthusiasm in general. Now is not the time for "interservice =
rivalry", as it were. We need to embrace all of the many =
forms</div><div class=3D"">that are the sportscar, and indeed =
motorcar enthusiasm in general. We need to keep our love alive, =
and to bring up another couple generations of enthusiasts who will come =
to cherish "our" cars, and keep them alive well into the =
future.</div><div class=3D""> </div><div class=3D"">Oh, the spec =
Miata lap record at Mid Ohio is now down to a hair over 1:40. Just =
sayin', and that was not done by bumping each other, but by proper =
application of good driving skills.</div><div class=3D""> </div><div =
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