--===============5567135051247576862==
boundary="----=_Part_3127569_1799489915.1438016808733"
------=_Part_3127569_1799489915.1438016808733
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have been=C2=A0silently watching this=C2=A0interesting discussion.=C2=A0I=
too would encourage looking at diesel power. The fuel efficiency=C2=A0is s=
uperior to gasoline as well as the torque to climb=C2=A0grades.=20
My '93 Dodge Ram D 250 just required a new turbo at 388,000=C2=A0miles. It =
got a rebuilt injector pump and injectors at 280,000. Other than that nothi=
ng=C2=A0but careful maintenance. After the=C2=A0new turbo it was run on a r=
olling road dyno. It puts out 140 HP which is about 15 above stock. That do=
esn't sound like much but, the torque is 404=C2=A0lbs ft. Towing my goosene=
ck 24 ft trailer with a loaded weight of 7000 lbs, it regularly gives me 15=
MPG.=C2=A0Of course it is nearly=C2=A0a classic to match my cars, I just w=
anted to point out the advantages of a diesel.
Ken Suhre
=C2=A0 From: Larry Young <cartravel@pobox.com>
To: "FOT@autox.team.net" <FOT@autox.team.net>=20
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 11:08 AM
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: Towing (New F-150)
=20
I meant to send this to the list, not just Marcel.=C2=A0 I'm a big believ=
er in diesel technology, since it is much more efficient than gasoline and =
now it is cleaner too.=C2=A0 Most Americans don't realize that Europe is 40=
to 50 percent diesel, while they are almost nonexistent in the US, except =
for big pickups.=C2=A0 The small diesels (< 2.0L) just don't make it here, =
partly because the companies don't believe Americans would buy anything wit=
h less than 100hp. We used to think that was decent power. Currently, if=C2=
=A0 you have a small diesel it is most likely German. Hopefully, this will =
change in the next few years.
=C2=A0- Larry
=20
-------- Forwarded Message --------=20
| Subject: | Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150) |
| Date: | Sun, 26 Jul 2015 14:57:46 -0500 |
| From: | Larry Young <cartravel@pobox.com> |
| To: | Marcel Van Mulders <van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be> |
=20
Marcel, what you don't realize is that diesels are almost nonexistent over=
here in anything smaller than a 3/4 ton (F-250 etc.).=C2=A0 There is no di=
esel option in smaller American vehicles that will tow a car.=C2=A0 I belie=
ve it is because our emission standards are much more stringent (on CO, unb=
urned HC, NOx and soot). I understand Dodge will soon fill that gap with a =
3.0 L V-6 made by Fiat.=C2=A0 The only diesel options on vehicles that size=
are German SUVs which are some of the cleanest engines around.=C2=A0 I now=
tow my 18 foot enclosed trailer (about 5,000 lb) with a BMW X5 3.0L diesel=
.=C2=A0 Yes, it was about $60K as well.=C2=A0 It gets around 14 mpg while t=
owing, which is 40 to 50 percent better than my old 5.0L Ford Triton V8 and=
with all that torque and all the gears it tows better as well.=C2=A0 My wi=
fe has a newer BMW 5 series diesel sedan that gets over 35 mpg on the highw=
ay.=C2=A0 The quietness and driveability of these new diesels is astonishin=
g.
=C2=A0- Larry
=20
On 7/26/2015 10:04 AM, Marcel Van Mulders wrote:
=20
#yiv0339006146 .yiv0339006146hmmessage P {PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;PADDING-TOP:0=
px;PADDING-LEFT:0px;MARGIN:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;}#yiv0339006146 BODY.yiv03=
39006146hmmessage {FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri;} Strange how (towing=
) car habits are different in the USA and Europe.=C2=A0You are=C2=A0woderin=
g if a 5 litre turbo V8 diesel will be strong enough, maybe it should=C2=A0=
be a 6.2 or 6.7 litre. In Europe, most=C2=A0=C2=A0towing cars have a 2 lit=
re=C2=A0=C2=A04 cyl engine, or even as small as a=C2=A01.4 litre.The bigges=
t turbodiesel=C2=A0=C2=A0Ford Europe is offering, has just a 2 litre engine=
. Idem=C2=A0for Citroen, Renault and Volkswagen(with the exception of the T=
ouareg). In Europe you can see a lot of 1600cc turbodiesels=C2=A0 towing a =
caravan. A BMW 525d has a 2 litre,=C2=A0 Mercedes=C2=A0 E200D, 220D and 250=
D all have a 2.1 litre 4cyl engine.BMW and Mercedes buyers can still=C2=A0g=
et a 3 litre turbodiesel, but they rarely do. Fuel is expensive in Europe a=
nd car taxes are rising exponentially with the fuel consumption. You in the=
USA are lucky to be able to drive full size cars with full size engines. I=
n Europe, the engines get smaller and smaller. Almost all VW Golfs are sold=
with a tiny 1.2 litre or 1.4 litre engine. In Europe=C2=A0a 1.6 litre is=
=C2=A0 called=C2=A0a big engine in a VW Golf. Maybe=C2=A0in the USA 1.6 lit=
re=C2=A0can do in a=C2=A0V-Twin bike, but only just? Marcel. =C2=A0 Van:=
Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens marty
Verzonden: vrijdag 24 juli 2015 18:16
Aan: FOT
Onderwerp: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)
=20
I have been checking out the new F-150's a bit. According to the specs, =
with the max-tow package they are within a few pounds of the tow capacity o=
f the F-250's.=C2=A0 Since I only heavy tow a few times a year the gas savi=
ngs throughout the rest of the year compared to the F-250 would be substant=
ial as I put on about 250 miles per week just going to work and back. Is an=
ybody on the list towing any weight with one of these new ones? How=E2=80=
=99s is it working out for you? =C2=A0 Marty =20
=20
_______________________________________________
fot@autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
ox.com
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
_______________________________________________
fot@autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
yahoo.com
------=_Part_3127569_1799489915.1438016808733
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:14px"><div><span></span></d=
iv><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1438015650680_2711" dir=3D"ltr">I have been =
;silently watching this interesting discussion. I too would encou=
rage looking at diesel power. The fuel efficiency is superior to gasol=
ine as well as the torque to climb grades. </div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0=
_1_1438015650680_2841" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_143801=
5650680_2840" dir=3D"ltr">My '93 Dodge Ram D 250 just required a new turbo =
at 388,000 miles. It got a rebuilt injector pump and injectors at 280,=
000. Other than that nothing but careful maintenance. After the n=
ew turbo it was run on a rolling road dyno. It puts out 140 HP which is abo=
ut 15 above stock. That doesn't sound like much but, the torque is 404 =
;lbs ft. Towing my gooseneck 24 ft trailer with a loaded weight of 7000 lbs=
, it regularly gives me 15 MPG. Of course it is nearly a classic =
to match my cars, I just wanted to point out the advantages of a diesel.</d=
iv><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1438015650680_2839" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div i=
d=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1438015650680_2838" dir=3D"ltr">Ken Suhre<br> </div=
><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1438015650680_2695" style=3D"font-family: times ne=
w roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 14px;"> <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1=
_1438015650680_2694" style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, H=
elvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id=3D"y=
ui_3_16_0_1_1438015650680_2693" dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1"> <font id=3D"y=
ui_3_16_0_1_1438015650680_2856" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <b id=3D"yui_3_1=
6_0_1_1438015650680_2873"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1438015650680_2872" styl=
e=3D"font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Larry Young <cartravel@pobox.c=
om><br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> "FOT@autox.=
team.net" <FOT@autox.team.net> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bo=
ld;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, July 27, 2015 11:08 AM<br> <b><span style=3D"=
font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [Fot] Fwd: Re: Towing (New F-150)<=
br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_143801=
5650680_2874"><br><div id=3D"yiv0339006146">
=20
=20
=20
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1438015650680_2875">
I meant to send this to the list, not just Marcel. I'm a big
believer in diesel technology, since it is much more efficient than
gasoline and now it is cleaner too. Most Americans don't realize
that Europe is 40 to 50 percent diesel, while they are almost
nonexistent in the US, except for big pickups. The small diesels
(< 2.0L) just don't make it here, partly because the companies
don't believe Americans would buy anything with less than 100hp. We
used to think that was decent power. Currently, if you have a sma=
ll
diesel it is most likely German. Hopefully, this will change in the
next few years.<br>
- Larry<br>
<div class=3D"yiv0339006146moz-forward-container" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14=
38015650680_2876"><br>
-------- Forwarded Message --------
<table class=3D"yiv0339006146moz-email-headers-table" id=3D"yui_3_16_=
0_1_1438015650680_2880" border=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0">
<tbody id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1438015650680_2879">
<tr id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1438015650680_2878">
<th align=3D"RIGHT" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1438015650680_2877" nowr=
ap=3D'valign=3D"BASELINE"'>Subject:
</th>
<td>Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)</td>
</tr>
<tr id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1438015650680_2882">
<th align=3D"RIGHT" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1438015650680_2881" nowr=
ap=3D'valign=3D"BASELINE"'>Date: </th>
<td>Sun, 26 Jul 2015 14:57:46 -0500</td>
</tr>
<tr id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1438015650680_2884">
<th align=3D"RIGHT" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1438015650680_2883" nowr=
ap=3D'valign=3D"BASELINE"'>From: </th>
<td>Larry Young <a class=3D"yiv0339006146moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"=
href=3D"mailto:cartravel@pobox.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" yma=
ilto=3D"mailto:cartravel@pobox.com";><cartravel@pobox.com></a></td>
</tr>
<tr id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1438015650680_2889">
<th align=3D"RIGHT" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1438015650680_2888" nowr=
ap=3D'valign=3D"BASELINE"'>To: </th>
<td>Marcel Van Mulders <a class=3D"yiv0339006146moz-txt-link-rf=
c2396E" href=3D"mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be"; target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be";><van.muld=
ers.marcel@telenet.be></a></td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<br>
=20
Marcel, what you don't realize is that diesels are almost
nonexistent over here in anything smaller than a 3/4 ton (F-250
etc.). There is no diesel option in smaller American vehicles
that will tow a car. I believe it is because our emission
standards are much more stringent (on CO, unburned HC, NOx and
soot). I understand Dodge will soon fill that gap with a 3.0 L V-6
made by Fiat. The only diesel options on vehicles that size are
German SUVs which are some of the cleanest engines around. I no=
w
tow my 18 foot enclosed trailer (about 5,000 lb) with a BMW X5
3.0L diesel. Yes, it was about $60K as well. It gets arou=
nd 14
mpg while towing, which is 40 to 50 percent better than my old
5.0L Ford Triton V8 and with all that torque and all the gears it
tows better as well. My wife has a newer BMW 5 series diesel
sedan that gets over 35 mpg on the highway. The quietness and
driveability of these new diesels is astonishing.<br>
- Larry<br>
<br>
<div class=3D"yiv0339006146moz-cite-prefix">On 7/26/2015 10:04 AM, Ma=
rcel Van
Mulders wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
=20
<style>#yiv0339006146 .yiv0339006146hmmessage P {
PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;PADDING-TOP:0px;PADDING-LEFT:0px;MARGIN:0px;PADDING-RIGH=
T:0px;}
#yiv0339006146 BODY.yiv0339006146hmmessage {
FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri;}
</style>
=20
<div align=3D"left" dir=3D"ltr"><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Ari=
al" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"yiv0339006146384370914-26072015">Strange how
(towing) car habits are different in the USA and
Europe. You are wodering if a 5 litre turbo V8 dies=
el will
be strong enough, maybe it should be a 6.2 or 6.7 litre=
.
In Europe, most towing cars have a 2 litre &n=
bsp;4 cyl engine,
or even as small as a 1.4 litre.The biggest
turbodiesel Ford Europe is offering, has just a 2 =
litre
engine. Idem for Citroen, Renault and Volkswagen(with th=
e
exception of the Touareg). In Europe you can see a lot of
1600cc turbodiesels towing a caravan. A BMW 525d has a =
2
litre, Mercedes E200D, 220D and 250D all have a 2=
.1
litre 4cyl engine.BMW and Mercedes buyers can still get =
a
3 litre turbodiesel, but they rarely do. Fuel is expensive
in Europe and car taxes are rising exponentially with the
fuel consumption. You in the USA are lucky to be able to
drive full size cars with full size engines. In Europe,
the engines get smaller and smaller. Almost all VW Golfs
are sold with a tiny 1.2 litre or 1.4 litre engine. In
Europe a 1.6 litre is called a big engine in =
a VW Golf.
Maybe in the USA 1.6 litre can do in a V-Twin =
bike, but
only just?</span></font></div>
<div align=3D"left" dir=3D"ltr"><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Ari=
al" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"yiv0339006146384370914-26072015">Marcel.</spa=
n></font></div>
<div align=3D"left" dir=3D"ltr"><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Ari=
al" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"yiv0339006146384370914-26072015"></span></fon=
t> </div>
<div align=3D"left" dir=3D"ltr">
<hr tabindex=3D"-1"> </div>
<div align=3D"left" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><b=
>Van:</b>
Fot [<a class=3D"yiv0339006146moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"ma=
ilto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a=
>]
<b>Namens </b>marty<br>
<b>Verzonden:</b> vrijdag 24 juli 2015 18:16<br>
<b>Aan:</b> FOT<br>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> [Fot] Towing (New F-150)<br>
</font><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"yiv0339006146MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 10=
pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri">I have been checking out the new F-150's a
bit. According to the specs, with the max-tow package they
are within a few pounds of the tow capacity of the
F-250's.<span> </span>Since I
only heavy tow a few times a year the gas savings
throughout the rest of the year compared to the F-250
would be substantial as I put on about 250 miles per week
just going to work and back. Is anybody on the list towing
any weight with one of these new ones? How=E2=80=99s is it wo=
rking
out for you?</font></div>=20
<div class=3D"yiv0339006146MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 10=
pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri"> </font></div>=20
<div class=3D"yiv0339006146MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 10=
pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri">Marty</font></div>=20
</div>
<br>
<fieldset class=3D"yiv0339006146mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
<br>
<pre>_______________________________________________
<a class=3D"yiv0339006146moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox=
.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.t=
eam.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>
<a class=3D"yiv0339006146moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://www.fot-raci=
ng.com/" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow">http://www.fot-racing.com</a>
team.net/donate.html" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow">http://www.team.ne=
t/donate.html</a>
Archive: <a class=3D"yiv0339006146moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://www=
.team.net/archive" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow">http://www.team.net/a=
rchive</a>
Forums: <a class=3D"yiv0339006146moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://www.=
team.net/forums" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow">http://www.team.net/for=
ums</a>
"http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel@pobox.com"; target=3D"_=
blank" rel=3D"nofollow">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel=
@pobox.com</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
</div>
<br>
</div>
</div><br>_______________________________________________<br><a href=3D"mai=
lto:fot@autox.team.net" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.tea=
m.net</a><br><br><a href=3D"http://www.fot-racing.com/"; target=3D"_blank">h=
ttp://www.fot-racing.com</a><br><br>Donate: <a href=3D"http://www.team.net/=
donate.html" target=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archi=
ve: <a href=3D"http://www.team.net/archive"; target=3D"_blank">http://www.te=
am.net/archive</a><br>Forums: <a href=3D"http://www.team.net/forums"; target=
=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/forums</a><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href=
=3D"http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety@yahoo.com"; targe=
t=3D"_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety@yahoo.c=
om</a><br><br><br><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></body></html>
------=_Part_3127569_1799489915.1438016808733--
--===============5567135051247576862==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline
_______________________________________________
fot@autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
--===============5567135051247576862==--
|