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Re: [Fot] IRS diff overheating

To: Greg And Alison Blake <ablake2@austin.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] IRS diff overheating
From: Keith Files <keithfiles@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 22:35:16 +0100
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Sure. I will also send you some pictures when I get the car back in 2 weeks t=
ime.

What we did was to buy a small 6 row cooler (I think but will check)  that w=
e mounted to the boot (trunk) floor by the inner rear valance. We cut a larg=
e hole  (8"x 3" or so) in the boot floor just in front of the oil cooler and=
 manufactured an air scoop which we attached to the underside of the boot fl=
oor. The cooler pipes were attached to the diff and cooler and driven by an o=
ld Lucas fuel pump.

As I said I will send you photo's and more precise measurements when I get t=
he car back from the workshop.

Hope the above helps for now.

Keith

Sent from my iPad

> On 2 Jun 2015, at 22:26, Greg And Alison Blake <ablake2@austin.rr.com> wro=
te:
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> Keith
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> Can you send me info in this?  I assume it requires an external fluid pump=
.
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> Thanks,
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> Greg
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>> On Jun 2, 2015, at 4:19 PM, Keith Files <keithfiles@btinternet.com> wrote=
:
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>> We use a diff cooler to avoid the problem on the TR6, a lot cheaper than c=
ontinual rebuilds of the diff. I ran with one doing 3 hours of the Nurburgri=
ng Nordschleife a couple of years ago, it worked perfectly.
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>> Keith
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>> Sent from my iPad
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>>> On 2 Jun 2015, at 20:01, Kas Kastner <kaskastner@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> I had failure of all three cars at Sebring with the IRS cars. In practic=
es the diffs overheated and puked oil out the breather tub as you describe. I=
 laid part of it to a new diff but most to the heat generated by a disc type=
 limited slip. The capacity of the diff is marginal for endurance running. A=
dd to the  capacity or add a cooler.=20
>>>=20
>>> Never be beaten by equipment.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Greg And Alison Blake <ablake2@austin.=
rr.com> wrote:
>>>> Some of yall may have followed the social Media posts provided by our t=
eammates through the weekend. We were racing the Beanitos TR6 this past week=
end at what was to be TWS's last ever race. It was a split 16 hour endurance=
 race (Sat&Sun).
>>>>=20
>>>> We had a strange failure on Saturday. About 6 hours in, the truck was f=
ull of gear oil. I had routed a diff vent line to the trunk. Upon returning t=
o the garage, we discovered melted poly diff mounts. Pic below.
>>>>=20
>>>> I've been scratching my head on this one. Prior to boiling the diff flu=
id, we had zero leaks in the freshly serviced diff. I had replaced all seals=
 and filled with STALUBE 90WT GL4.
>>>>=20
>>>> I've been racing my TR3 using this same diff fluid for 6 years (replace=
d every two weekends). Never a problem with my vintage race car. Of course, I=
've never run the 3 for 6 hours straight.
>>>>=20
>>>> Some of the more seasoned endurance racers asked what fluid I had in th=
e diff. All suggested that mineral based fluid is not a good choice for endu=
rance events.
>>>>=20
>>>> I'd love to hear opinions as to the route cause of our failure and more=
 importantly, suggested remedies.
>>>>=20
>>>> As to the results, the car was running consistently 2:1x laps with a fa=
st lap of 2:10. We ended up taking the workers choice award. Had we run w/o d=
iff failure and a subsequent battery failure, we could have been in the hunt=
 for a podium finish. Fastest lap in our group was 2:09.9
>>>>=20
>>>> Great weekend
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Greg
>>>> _______________________________________________
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Sure. I will also send you some pictur=
es when I get the car back in 2 weeks time.</div><div><br></div><div>What we=
 did was to buy a small 6 row cooler (I think but will check) &nbsp;that we m=
ounted to the boot (trunk) floor by the inner rear valance. We cut a large h=
ole &nbsp;(8"x 3" or so) in the boot floor just in front of the oil cooler a=
nd manufactured an air scoop which we attached to the underside of the boot f=
loor. The cooler pipes were attached to the diff and cooler and driven by an=
 old Lucas fuel pump.</div><div><br></div><div>As I said I will send you pho=
to's and more precise measurements when I get the car back from the workshop=
.</div><div><br></div><div>Hope the above helps for now.</div><div><br></div=
><div>Keith<br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On 2 Jun 2015, at 22:26, G=
reg And Alison Blake &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ablake2@austin.rr.com";>ablake2@au=
stin.rr.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><meta=
 http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><div>Kei=
th</div><div><br></div><div>Can you send me info in this? &nbsp;I assume it r=
equires an external fluid pump.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><=
br></div><div>Greg<br><br><br></div><div><br>On Jun 2, 2015, at 4:19 PM, Kei=
th Files &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:keithfiles@btinternet.com";>keithfiles@btinter=
net.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><meta htt=
p-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><div>We use a=
 diff cooler to avoid the problem on the TR6, a lot cheaper than continual r=
ebuilds of the diff. I ran with one doing 3 hours of the Nurburgring Nordsch=
leife a couple of years ago, it worked perfectly.</div><div><br></div><div>K=
eith<br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On 2 Jun 2015, at 20:01, Kas Kas=
tner &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kaskastner@gmail.com";>kaskastner@gmail.com</a>&gt=
; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">I had f=
ailure of all three cars at Sebring with the IRS cars. In practices the diff=
s overheated and puked oil out the breather tub as you describe. I laid part=
 of it to a new diff but most to the heat generated by a disc type limited s=
lip. The capacity of the diff is marginal for endurance running.&nbsp;Add to=
 the&nbsp;&nbsp;capacity or add a cooler.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"gmail_ext=
ra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D"gmail_signature"><p><strong><font c=
olor=3D"#000099">Never be beaten by equipment.</font></strong></p></div></di=
v>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Greg And Ali=
son Blake <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ablake2@austin.rr.com"; tar=
get=3D"_blank">ablake2@austin.rr.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pa=
dding-left:1ex">Some of yall may have followed the social Media posts provid=
ed by our teammates through the weekend. We were racing the Beanitos TR6 thi=
s past weekend at what was to be TWS's last ever race. It was a split 16 hou=
r endurance race (Sat&amp;Sun).<br>
<br>
We had a strange failure on Saturday. About 6 hours in, the truck was full o=
f gear oil. I had routed a diff vent line to the trunk. Upon returning to th=
e garage, we discovered melted poly diff mounts. Pic below.<br>
<br>
I've been scratching my head on this one. Prior to boiling the diff fluid, w=
e had zero leaks in the freshly serviced diff. I had replaced all seals and f=
illed with STALUBE 90WT GL4.<br>
<br>
I've been racing my TR3 using this same diff fluid for 6 years (replaced eve=
ry two weekends). Never a problem with my vintage race car. Of course, I've n=
ever run the 3 for 6 hours straight.<br>
<br>
Some of the more seasoned endurance racers asked what fluid I had in the dif=
f. All suggested that mineral based fluid is not a good choice for endurance=
 events.<br>
<br>
I'd love to hear opinions as to the route cause of our failure and more impo=
rtantly, suggested remedies.<br>
<br>
As to the results, the car was running consistently 2:1x laps with a fast la=
p of 2:10. We ended up taking the workers choice award. Had we run w/o diff f=
ailure and a subsequent battery failure, we could have been in the hunt for a=
 podium finish. Fastest lap in our group was 2:09.9<br>
<br>
Great weekend<br>
<br>
<br><br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
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