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John,
Thanks for sharing your experience with the cast vs. billet flanges. I
would prefer to avoid that task. Pulling a generator apart was not fun. I
will be moving forward with a new starter this summer.
Jack
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From: John Styduhar [mailto:johnstydo@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 3:10 PM
To: Jack Brooks
Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3/4 starter issue
Jack, take the old starter off and use it for a boat anchor. You will not be
disappointed by the gear reduction unit. I'm using a Hi Torque gear
reduction starter made by Performance Products, Inc. I have had no
engagement problems whatsoever with the TR4A starter ring installed on a
Fidanza aluminum flywheel with the ring in the factory position. I was
running an old TR2 gearbox and there are no clearance issues. If you order
this starter, make sure that the unit has the upgraded billet aluminum
mounting flange. The starter I purchased came with the cast aluminum piece
and one of the mounting ears broke off from engine vibration. The billet
piece has worked fine so far. It was a bearcat to replace. Basically had to
take the whole starter apart.
On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 8:56 PM, Jack Brooks via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
wrote:
Amici,
I am finally looking to install a gear reduction starter in my (post 60K)
Street/Auto-X TR3A. I believe I need the long later starter, as that is
what is in the car, but I have some function issues which I do not
understand. My configuration is as follows:
Block: TR4
Tranny: TR3, non-syncro OD. The small starter bulge on the tranny has been
modified/extended to accommodate the longer starter. The hole is covered to
keep dirt and moisture out.
Flywheel: TR4A-6 style, with bolt on ring gear, lightened to 22 pounds
Clutch: Clutchmaster TR6
I believe the fact that I am using the TR4A-6 flywheel and bolt-on ring gear
drives the need for the long starter. Any help in confirming this would be
appreciated.
While this combination has been in place for at least 10 years, I do get
times when the starter spins up, but does not "catch" the ring gear, so it
does not turn over the engine. Restarting always catches, although
sometimes this could take a few tries. I've always thought this was the
starter needed an overhaul, but have not taken the time to pull it and see.
The starter pinion and ring gear never crunch. It either engages well or
not, although it may engage and "slip out" occasionally. This
non-engagement gets worse with decreasing temperature. On a 40 degree day,
I have tried over 15 starts before it'll catch. This is unacceptable.
I want to be sure this is a starter problem and not a component problem
before I install a new starter and potentially cause problems.
Also, any help on figuring out the non-engagement and slipping issues would
be great.
Just for grins, is there any way to tell which starter is installed without
pulling it out? It's been a while.
Thanks in advance,
Jack
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http://www.fot-racing.com
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>John,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>Thanks for sharing your experience =
with the
cast vs. billet flanges. I would prefer to avoid that task. =
Pulling a
generator apart was not fun. I will be moving forward with a new =
starter this
summer.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>Jack<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
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face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> John =
Styduhar
[mailto:johnstydo@gmail.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, May 23, =
2015 3:10
PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Jack Brooks<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Triumph 'Friends of =
Triumph<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fot] TR3/4 =
starter
issue</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Jack, take the old starter off and use it for a boat anchor. You =
will
not be disappointed by the gear reduction unit. I'm using a Hi Torque =
gear
reduction starter made by Performance Products, Inc. I have had no =
engagement
problems whatsoever with the TR4A starter ring installed on a Fidanza =
aluminum
flywheel with the ring in the factory position. I was running an =
old TR2
gearbox and there are no clearance issues. If you order this starter, =
make sure
that the unit has the upgraded billet aluminum mounting flange. The =
starter I
purchased came with the cast aluminum piece and one of the mounting ears =
broke
off from engine vibration. The billet piece has worked fine so =
far. It
was a bearcat to replace. Basically had to take the whole starter =
apart. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 8:56 PM, Jack Brooks via Fot <<a
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div link=3Dblue vlink=3Dpurple>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Amici,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I am =
finally
looking to install a gear reduction starter in my (post 60K) =
Street/Auto-X
TR3A. I believe I need the long later starter, as that is =
what is
in the car, but I have some function issues which I do not =
understand. My
configuration is as follows:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Block: TR4<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Tranny: TR3,
non-syncro OD. The small starter bulge on the tranny has been
modified/extended to accommodate the longer starter. The hole is =
covered
to keep dirt and moisture out.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Flywheel: TR4A-6
style, with bolt on ring gear, lightened to 22 pounds =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Clutch:
Clutchmaster TR6<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I =
believe the fact
that I am using the TR4A-6 flywheel and bolt-on ring gear drives the =
need for
the long starter. Any help in confirming this would be =
appreciated. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3D2 face=3DCalibri><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'> </span></font><o:p><=
/o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>While =
this
combination has been in place for at least 10 years, I do get times when =
the
starter spins up, but does not “catch” the ring gear, so it =
does not turn over
the engine. Restarting always catches, although sometimes this =
could take
a few tries. I’ve always thought this was the starter needed =
an overhaul,
but have not taken the time to pull it and see. The starter pinion =
and
ring gear never crunch. It either engages well or not, although it =
may
engage and “slip out” occasionally. This =
non-engagement gets worse with
decreasing temperature. On a 40 degree day, I have tried over 15 =
starts before
it’ll catch. This is unacceptable. =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I =
want to be sure
this is a starter problem and not a component problem before I install a =
new
starter and potentially cause problems.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Also, =
any help on
figuring out the non-engagement and slipping issues would be great. =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Just =
for grins, is
there any way to tell which starter is installed without pulling it =
out?
It’s been a while.<br>
<br>
Thanks in advance,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3D3 color=3D"#888888" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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color:#888888'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
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size=3D3 color=3D"#888888" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
color:#888888'>Jack<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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