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Dear Listers, interesting to read that about the MSD boxes.=20
I heard in the past MSD has a very high failure rate (up to 50%).=20
So those troubles do confirm the reliability issues of MSD
So I never bought or installed one but went for the Crane boxes, which =
are
just great and run like a clock all the time.
Cheers!
AlexCamoletti
De : Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] De la part de Jim Gray via =
Fot
Envoy=E9 : mardi 7 avril 2015 15:08
=C0 : fot@autox.team.net
Objet : Re: [Fot] MSD box
=20
We had the exact same problem on one of our spits without MSD in =
Colorado.
=93When I pull either #1 or #4 plug wire she runs fine, dips down a bit =
in
RPM, but if I pull #2 or #3 she almost dies=94=20
We didn=92t move the timing light sensor wire around though.
We have another spitfire that did one of the most bizarre things I=92ve =
ever
seen. We were trying to sort out another ignition miss problem and =
decided
it wasn=92t going to get fixed at that moment.
Dan, the owner decided to put it back in his pit, put the hood down and
fired it up. It seemed to run a bit worse than when we started so the =
hood
came back up while it was running.
The distributor cap didn=92t get put back on and it was running! The cap
wasn=92t even close to the distributor, it was almost a foot away and =
you
could see the arc dancing all over the inside of the cap. If someone had
told me that story and I hadn=92t seen it for myself I would have called =
BS.
All I can say is that was one hot coil, how it fired in any kind of =
order
that would allow it to run is still beyond my understanding.
As far as why a car will still seem to run unaffected by pulling #=92s 1 =
or 4
is still a puzzle to me.
Some people actually have success with an adjustable timing light on and =
MSD
equipped car ( if that=92s what your using ) I never did. MSD say=92s =
no. I had
to go back to=20
a fixed timing light because the timing was all over the place, hence =
the
dual spark up to 3K rpm.
Even with the fixed timing light I had trouble timing the car at the =
Kastner
Cup at Road America. The MSD unit completely failed the next weekend =
out.
Now I keep a spare in the box.
The point I=92m getting at is in this case it might not be the MSD box =
since
we had the same problem with a non-MSD car.
jim g
=20
=20
_____ =20
From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Smith =
via
Fot
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2015 7:07 PM
To: don@dcphotos.com; FOT@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] MSD box
=20
I've seen that exact issue on a very fast TR4. Drove us nuts until we =
tried
a new box. They will repair it very cheaply as I recall.=20
=20
Remember how NASCAR's always have TWO on board??
=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: don--- via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
To: fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Apr 6, 2015 4:55 pm
Subject: [Fot] MSD box
This Spitfire that was =93pawned=94 off on me has a MSD Digital 6A box =
in it.=20
=20
When I pull either #1 or #4 plug wire she runs fine, dips down a bit in =
RPM,
but if I pull #2 or #3 she almost dies.=20
=20
I put my timing gun on #1 wire, she fires at 15 =B0BTDC and same if I =
put the
timing gun sensor=20
on the #4 wire.=20
=20
When I put the sensor on either #2 or #3 wire, it shows it firing all =
over
the place, them seem to settle down to 15=B0btdc=20
and then goes crazy again, settles down. =20
=20
Not sure if this is the MSD box or not but I thought I might get some
answers here.=20
=20
I did find that the rotor cap was dragging on the Pertronix Ignitor =
module
inside the distributor. I swapped out rotor caps but still no luck.=20
=20
Don=20
=20
DON COUCH PHOTOGRAPHY=20
(512)-680-3540=20
=20
_______________________________________________
fot@autox.team.net
=20
http://www.fot-racing.com
=20
Donate:
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums:
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vlink=3Dblue><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Dear Listers, interesting to read that about the MSD boxes. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I heard in the past MSD has a very high failure rate (up to 50%). =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>So those troubles do confirm the reliability issues of =
MSD<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>So I never bought or installed one but went for the Crane boxes, =
which are just great and run like a clock all the =
time.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Cheers!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>AlexCamoletti<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DFR =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>De :</s=
pan></b><span lang=3DFR =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Fot =
[mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>De la part de</b> Jim Gray via =
Fot<br><b>Envoy=E9 :</b> mardi 7 avril 2015 =
15:08<br><b>=C0 :</b> fot@autox.team.net<br><b>Objet :</b> Re: =
[Fot] MSD box<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>We=
had the exact same problem on one of our spits without MSD in Colorado. =
“</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>W=
hen I pull either #1 or #4 plug wire she runs fine, dips down a bit in =
RPM, but if I pull #2 or #3 she almost dies” =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>We=
didn’t move the timing light sensor wire around =
though.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>We=
have another spitfire that did one of the most bizarre things =
I’ve ever seen. We were trying to sort out another ignition miss =
problem and decided it wasn’t going to get fixed at that =
moment.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Da=
n, the owner decided to put it back in his pit, put the hood down and =
fired it up. It seemed to run a bit worse than when we started so the =
hood came back up while it was running.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Th=
e distributor cap didn’t get put back on and it was running! The =
cap wasn’t even close to the distributor, it was almost a foot =
away and you could see the arc dancing all over the inside of the cap. =
If someone had told me that story and I hadn’t seen it for myself =
I would have called BS.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Al=
l I can say is that was one hot coil, how it fired in any kind of order =
that would allow it to run is still beyond my =
understanding.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>As=
far as why a car will still seem to run unaffected by pulling #’s =
1 or 4 is still a puzzle to me.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>So=
me people actually have success with an adjustable timing light on and =
MSD equipped car ( if that’s what your using ) I never did. MSD =
say’s no. I had to go back to <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>a =
fixed timing light because the timing was all over the place, hence the =
dual spark up to 3K rpm.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Ev=
en with the fixed timing light I had trouble timing the car at the =
Kastner Cup at Road America. The MSD unit completely failed the next =
weekend out. Now I keep a spare in the box.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Th=
e point I’m getting at is in this case it might not be the MSD box =
since we had the same problem with a non-MSD =
car.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>ji=
m g<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o=
:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o=
:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'text-align:center'><span lang=3DEN-US><hr size=3D2 =
width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter></span></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Fot =
[mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve Smith via =
Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 06, 2015 7:07 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
don@dcphotos.com; FOT@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] MSD =
box</span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I=
've seen that exact issue on a very fast TR4. Drove us nuts until =
we tried a new box. They will repair it very cheaply as I recall. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>R=
emember how NASCAR's always have TWO on =
board??<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
2.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>-=
----Original Message-----<br>From: don--- via Fot =
<fot@autox.team.net><br>To: fot =
<fot@autox.team.net><br>Sent: Mon, Apr 6, 2015 4:55 pm<br>Subject: =
[Fot] MSD box<o:p></o:p></span></p><div =
id=3D"AOLMsgPart_1.2_23cfa6ad-ff53-4d62-a2a3-4c67065df8b1"><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>T=
his Spitfire that was “pawned” off on me has a MSD Digital =
6A box in it. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>W=
hen I pull either #1 or #4 plug wire she runs fine, dips down a bit in =
RPM, but if I pull #2 or #3 she almost dies. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I=
put my timing gun on #1 wire, she fires at 15 </span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#666=
666;background:white'>=B0</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>B=
TDC and same if I put the timing gun sensor =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>o=
n the #4 wire. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>W=
hen I put the sensor on either #2 or #3 wire, it shows it firing all =
over the place, them seem to settle down to 15=B0btdc =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>a=
nd then goes crazy again, settles down. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>N=
ot sure if this is the MSD box or not but I thought I might get some =
answers here. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I=
did find that the rotor cap was dragging on the Pertronix Ignitor =
module inside the distributor. I swapped out rotor caps but still no =
luck. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>D=
on <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>D=
ON COUCH PHOTOGRAPHY <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>(=
512)-680-3540 <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div =
id=3D"AOLMsgPart_2_43c29e9d-27d5-494f-9f43-6078f975d049"><pre =
style=3D'background:white'><tt><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'>_______________________________________________</sp=
an><o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style=3D'background:white'><tt><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:black'><a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></tt></pre><pre style=3D'background:white'><tt><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre =
style=3D'background:white'><tt><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'><a href=3D"http://www.fot-racing.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></p=
re><pre style=3D'background:white'><tt><span lang=3DEN-US =
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