Re: [Fot] Help needed, TR250 engine rebuild oil pressure problems

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I assume you didn't bore the block & install cam bearings. Your problem is e=
xcessive clearence beween the cam & block & that is bleeding off all your oi=
l pressure. I will not rebuild a race or street 6 cyl engine without boring t=
he block & installing cam bearings. The bearings for a mk2/3 Spit work perfe=
ctly.

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 15, 2013, at 3:56 PM, Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54@gmail.com> w=
rote:

> I'm not sure that's worst case -- the bearings, either crank or cam bearin=
gs, could have too much clearance and that would require a full teardown, ye=
 that doesn't seem likely if the engine rebuilder followed long-established p=
ractices.  One other item that hasn't been mentioned yet -- are you using an=
 oil cooler with a thermostatic valve?  If it was installed improperly perha=
ps there's a way it could rob pressure from the system when the oil heats up=
 and the valve opens.
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> Duncan
> (Texas)
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> On Sep 15, 2013, at 10:13 AM, robertten1@aol.com wrote:
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>> Sent: Sun, Sep 15, 2013 11:11 am
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Help needed, TR250 engine rebuild oil pressure problem=
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>> Did you replace the Oil Pressure Releif Valve and its Spring ?  I would f=
irst hook up a mechanical test pressure guage at the Oil Pressure Switch in t=
he block and see what readings you get.  Worse case ... the Pump could be at=
 fault.  Lastly are you running the cannister filter or a spin on oil filter=
?
>> =20
>> Best o Luck
>> Bob T
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>> Sent: Sun, Sep 15, 2013 5:53 am
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>> Could there any trouble with the pressure relive valve?
>> I'm not familiar with the 6 pot engines.
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>> Chris
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>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 15. September 2013 02:56
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>> Betreff: [Fot] Help needed, TR250 engine rebuild oil pressure problems
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>> Hello Triumph problem solvers.
>>=20
>> I nearly have my TR250 ready for Triumphest/VTR after an engine rebuild.
>> I'm trying to solve a problem now with maintaining consistent oil pressur=
e.
>> When I first ran the car after the rebuild, the 20 minutes at 2000 rpm
>> start, I had Castrol 5W30 and ZDDP additive.  After the engine really got=
 up
>> to temperature, I had trouble with maintaining oil pressure, dropping way=

>> down close to zero at idle.  A mechanic friend of mine checked it out wit=
h
>> me and with the rocker cover off, we saw little flow at the rockers at id=
le.
>> I had an external oiling line on my shelf so I added that and saw very go=
od
>> flow at start up when oil pressure was about 65 and settled down to just
>> under 50 as it started to get warm, but continued to drop to the same nea=
r
>> zero level once it was at temperature. =20
>>=20
>> Today I changed the oil to 20W50 Castrol with Lucas ZDDP break-in additiv=
e.
>> Same symptoms.  I drove the car about four miles near my house and at
>> temperature, I was running at 20-25 psi when driving, dropping to near ze=
ro
>> at stop signs.  When I arrived home, I removed the quite hot valve cover o=
il
>> fill cap and started the car.  Very little oil was dancing around, if any=
,
>> at idle.  I revved the car a bit and saw sufficient oil flowing and
>> splattering in there. =20
>>=20
>> Now I don't know what to do.  I have the braided oil pressure line from T=
SI.
>> I don't think my gauge is bad with oil flow symptoms consistent with the
>> pressure readings.  Could the oil pressure regulator be an issue?  Mine i=
s
>> relatively new from BPNW.  I do have a second one I could swap in.  The o=
il
>> pump was new with the rebuild. =20
>>=20
>> Any advice or guidance is appreciated. =20
>>=20
>> Andy Packard
>> CD6746L
>> President - Triumph Travelers
>> Autocross Chair - 2013 Triumphest/VTR
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>I assume you didn't bore the block &am=
p; install cam bearings. Your problem is excessive clearence beween the cam &=
amp; block &amp; that is bleeding off all your oil pressure. I will not rebu=
ild a race or street 6 cyl engine without boring the block &amp; installing c=
am bearings. The bearings for a mk2/3 Spit work perfectly.<br><br>Sent from m=
y iPad</div><div><br>On Sep 15, 2013, at 3:56 PM, Duncan Charlton &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:duncan.charlton54@gmail.com";>duncan.charlton54@gmail.com</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>I'm not sure that's wors=
t case -- the bearings, either crank or cam bearings, could have too much cl=
earance and that would require a full teardown, ye that doesn't seem likely i=
f the engine rebuilder followed long-established practices. &nbsp;One other i=
tem that hasn't been mentioned yet -- are you using an oil cooler with a the=
rmostatic valve? &nbsp;If it was installed improperly perhaps there's a way i=
t could rob pressure from the system when the oil heats up and the valve ope=
ns.<div><br></div><div>Duncan</div><div>(Texas)</div><div><br></div><div><br=
><div><div>On Sep 15, 2013, at 10:13 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:robertten1@aol.co=
m">robertten1@aol.com</a> wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline=
"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><font color=3D"black" size=3D"2" face=3D"arial">=
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<div>Did you replace the Oil Pressure Releif Valve and its Spring ?&nbsp; I w=
ould first hook up a mechanical test pressure guage at the Oil Pressure Swit=
ch in the block and see what readings you get.&nbsp; Worse case ... the Pump=
 could be at fault.&nbsp; Lastly are you running the cannister filter or a s=
pin on oil filter?</div>


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<div>Best o Luck</div>


<div>Bob T<br>
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To: 'Andrew Packard' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:apackard68@att.net";>apackard68@at=
t.net</a>&gt;; '6 Digest' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net";>6pack@=
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2986c-fe2d-466f-be96-d821e3eb03d2"><pre style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><tt>Could t=
here any trouble with the pressure relive valve?
I'm not familiar with the 6 pot engines.

Chris

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Betreff: [Fot] Help needed, TR250 engine rebuild oil pressure problems

Hello Triumph problem solvers.

I nearly have my TR250 ready for Triumphest/VTR after an engine rebuild.
I'm trying to solve a problem now with maintaining consistent oil pressure.
When I first ran the car after the rebuild, the 20 minutes at 2000 rpm
start, I had Castrol 5W30 and ZDDP additive.  After the engine really got up=

to temperature, I had trouble with maintaining oil pressure, dropping way
down close to zero at idle.  A mechanic friend of mine checked it out with
me and with the rocker cover off, we saw little flow at the rockers at idle.=

I had an external oiling line on my shelf so I added that and saw very good
flow at start up when oil pressure was about 65 and settled down to just
under 50 as it started to get warm, but continued to drop to the same near
zero level once it was at temperature. =20

Today I changed the oil to 20W50 Castrol with Lucas ZDDP break-in additive.
Same symptoms.  I drove the car about four miles near my house and at
temperature, I was running at 20-25 psi when driving, dropping to near zero
at stop signs.  When I arrived home, I removed the quite hot valve cover oil=

fill cap and started the car.  Very little oil was dancing around, if any,
at idle.  I revved the car a bit and saw sufficient oil flowing and
splattering in there. =20

Now I don't know what to do.  I have the braided oil pressure line from TSI.=

I don't think my gauge is bad with oil flow symptoms consistent with the
pressure readings.  Could the oil pressure regulator be an issue?  Mine is
relatively new from BPNW.  I do have a second one I could swap in.  The oil
pump was new with the rebuild. =20

Any advice or guidance is appreciated. =20

Andy Packard
CD6746L
President - Triumph Travelers
Autocross Chair - 2013 Triumphest/VTR


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