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'Toly Arutunoff is a hard corre Stude guy. Raced a '62 GT Hawk
at Sebring in the sedan race in '64. Also did some racing with
another older Hawk. I was thinking of going vintage racing
with a Stude Hawk and contacted 'Toly to see if he knew
of the whereabouts of the '62. Very nice conversation. Turns out
he loaned the street legal car to a buddy to take on a long trip
to visit a girlfriend. Car was stolen and never recoverred.
Another GT Hawk was raced in USAC in '64. One of my Stude
friends has copies of all the Hollman and Moody papers relating
to their pretty successful race programs with Larks in the old
sedan racing series circa 1960.
art d
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Robert Johns=20
To: RACER BUD ; Steven Preiss ; edwardbarnard@prodigy.net=20
Cc: fot@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:45 PM
Subject: [Fot] Studebaker stories
All right guys, you have done it. I am going to have to tell you my =
tale of woe. Visualize this! I was attending the Swiss Auto Club =
Racing Drivers School in Monza, Italy in 1956. After we attended =
classes, they grouped us in classes (more like bunches) to do some =
racing.=20
After Studebaker had merged with Packard, they built a variation of =
the Hawk with the huge Packard engine of the day. What did I know of =
such things? I was stuck in Europe at the time. Guess what they stuck =
in the class with me, one of these monsters. =20
Off we went, racing our little hearts out. Me in my little TR2, the =
Stude (model?) Hawk, and several more interesting pieces of iron. That =
Stude would blow my doors off going down the straight and I would pass =
him on the next set of curves. Back and forth we went, and I think I =
finally got far enough ahead of him that he didn't catch me again.=20
=20
Speaking of interesting iron. That race was my first and only =
experience of running against a genuine Austin Healy S (not M, but S). =
They were not many built, and the Importer for Switzerland had this one, =
and it ran very well, with its cross flow head and lots of tricks.
Any ways, that is my Studebaker story. =20
Bob Johns
----- Original Message -----=20
From: RACER BUD=20
To: Steven Preiss ; edwardbarnard@prodigy.net=20
Cc: fot@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Non-LBC group question
One of my favorite cars for Style was the (I think 53 stude..Golden =
Hawk?..no fins...when the fins were added..they were literaly =
'attached')..i saw a NASCAR Hawk in a movie theater lobby promoting a =
movie which I cannot remember(mid -late 1950s)...That was one of the =
cars that added to the racing bug
Racer Bud
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Steven Preiss=20
To: edwardbarnard@prodigy.net=20
Cc: fot@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 2:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Non-LBC group question
One of my neighborhood friends growing up was a Studebaker nut, a =
passion (or perhaps a genetic trait) no doubt inherited from his dad. =
They would work into the night in the carport on one or another of their =
cars, droplights providing a weary glow. The cars, which as I recall =
ranged from a 1950 convertible, painted red with a white top, to a sleek =
Silver Hawk with a 289 and glass packs, always seemed exotic in an =
atypical American sort of way. A buddy of theirs had what they referred =
to as 'the Studebaker farm', which was actually a small dairy farm, the =
main pasture of which was lined with over 100 Studebakers that had been =
hauled in from all over the countryside and carefully placed side by =
side around the perimeter, providing an endless supply of parts and =
projects. Martin was a somewhat laconic fellow who carpeted his cars =
with an array of carpet "chucks" gleaned from a local flooring company. =
He also was the first in our group of carpoolers to drive his own car to =
school. Some wild rides down narrow curving residential streets are =
emblazoned in my memory. One striking characteristic of the cars was the =
overdrives, activated by a little toggle switch always placed =
inconspicuously under the dash. Another was their propensity for burning =
oil, which meant that the dipstick became a familiar friend. Which leads =
me to the point. Whether a result of unintentional poor' design or =
intentional daily abuse, cans of STP were always kept in the trunks of =
the cars, along with quarts of inexpensive motor oil, giving true =
meaning to the term, "Studebaker Tested Products"!
STeve P. ----- Original Message -----=20
From: EDWARD BARNARD=20
To: ehusmann53@yahoo.com ; dkettler@tcbi.com=20
Cc: FOT=20
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Non-LBC group question
Lister's: Thank you to all that answered my question about =
STP. A call to their H.Q. public relations office this morning has =
revealed what we should assume is the truth. The STP does stand for =
Scientifically Treated Petroleum. The Wiki reference to it standing for =
Studebaker Tested Products is in fact true. The company did tie their =
name to the product for a short time until Andy G. took over. But, the =
Wiki reference to King Richard no longer being a spokeperson for the =
company is false. According to the P.R. department, they have the =
longest commercial endorse in history.=20
Thanks again to the list!
-Ed-
--- On Tue, 9/30/08, David Kettler <dkettler@tcbi.com> =
wrote:
From: David Kettler <dkettler@tcbi.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Non-LBC group question
To: ehusmann53@yahoo.com
Cc: "FOT" <fot@autox.team.net>, =
edwardbarnard@prodigy.net
Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 9:52 PM
I recall when I was a kid collecting STP stickers at gas stations.
I always understood it to be Scientifically Tested Products.
Dave Kettler
At Tuesday, 30 September 2008, Ernest Husmann <ehusmann53@yahoo.com>=20
wrote:
>Ed:
>=20
>From STP's web page: STP =3D Scientifically Treated Petroleum--- On=20
Tue, 9/30/08, EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard@prodigy.net> wrote:
>From: EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard@prodigy.net>Subject: [Fot] Non-
LBC group questionTo: "FOT" <fot@autox.team.net>Date: Tuesday,
September=20
30, 2008, 11:06 AM
>
>Lister's: I'm writing a magazine article about Indy roadsters
(Kurtis',
Novi', etc) and am examining the Studebaker/Packard powered cars.
In 1963 Studebaker purchased from three gentlemen a little known=20
company named Chemical Compounds, which had an oil additive product=20
they were selling from the trunks of their cars. Studebaker gave=20
Andy Granatelli, then head engineer and chief test driver for Studebaker =
the position of CEO of the newly acquired company which he then renamed=20
STP. Now my question...does anyone know for certain the meaning of=20
STP? I am getting mixed answers from The Racing History Group. Most=20
say it stands for Specially Treated Petroleum, while a few are saying=20
it stands for Studebaker Test Products. Do any of the FOTers know=20
the "true" side of the story?=20
>BTW, later I will relate this past Saturday spent with three great=20
guys, Johnny Rutherford, Lloyd Ruby, and Jim McElreath, at a car=20
show we had.=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>'Toly Arutunoff is a hard corre =
Stude=20
guy. Raced a '62 GT Hawk</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>at Sebring in the sedan race in =
'64. =20
Also did some racing with</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>another older Hawk. I was =
thinking of=20
going vintage racing</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>with a Stude Hawk and contacted =
'Toly to see=20
if he knew</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>of the whereabouts of the =
'62. Very=20
nice conversation. Turns out</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>he loaned the street legal car to a =
buddy to take=20
on a long trip</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>to visit a girlfriend. Car was =
stolen and=20
never recoverred.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Another GT Hawk was raced in USAC in=20
'64. One of my Stude</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>friends has copies of all the Hollman =
and Moody=20
papers relating</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>to their pretty successful race =
programs with Larks=20
in the old</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>sedan racing series circa =
1960.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>art d</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Drjohns@woh.rr.com href=3D"mailto:rjohns@woh.rr.com";>Robert =
Johns</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dbudscars@comcast.net=20
href=3D"mailto:budscars@comcast.net";>RACER BUD</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dspreiss@verizon.net href=3D"mailto:spreiss@verizon.net";>Steven =
Preiss</A>=20
; <A title=3Dedwardbarnard@prodigy.net=20
=
href=3D"mailto:edwardbarnard@prodigy.net";>edwardbarnard@prodigy.net</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Dfot@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 01, =
2008 9:45=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Fot] Studebaker =
stories</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All right guys, you have done =
it. I am=20
going to have to tell you my tale of woe. Visualize this! =
I was=20
attending the Swiss Auto Club Racing Drivers School in Monza, Italy in =
1956. After we attended classes, they grouped us in classes =
(more like=20
bunches) to do some racing. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>After Studebaker had merged with =
Packard, they=20
built a variation of the Hawk with the huge Packard engine of the =
day. What did I know of such things? I was stuck in =
Europe=20
at the time. Guess what they stuck in the class with me, one of =
these=20
monsters. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Off we went, racing our little =
hearts=20
out. Me in my little TR2, the Stude (model?) Hawk, and =
several more=20
interesting pieces of iron. That Stude would blow my doors =
off=20
going down the straight and I would pass him on the next set of =
curves. =20
Back and forth we went, and I think I finally got far enough ahead =
of him=20
that he didn't catch me again. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Speaking of interesting iron. =
That race was=20
my first and only experience of running against a genuine Austin =
Healy S=20
(not M, but S). They were not many built, and the Importer =
for=20
Switzerland had this one, and it ran very well, with its cross =
flow head=20
and lots of tricks.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Any ways, that is my Studebaker =
story.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bob Johns</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dbudscars@comcast.net =
href=3D"mailto:budscars@comcast.net";>RACER=20
BUD</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dspreiss@verizon.net=20
href=3D"mailto:spreiss@verizon.net";>Steven Preiss</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dedwardbarnard@prodigy.net=20
=
href=3D"mailto:edwardbarnard@prodigy.net";>edwardbarnard@prodigy.net</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Dfot@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 01, =
2008 9:12=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Non-LBC =
group=20
question</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One of my favorite cars for Style =
was the (I=20
think 53 stude..Golden Hawk?..no fins...when the fins were =
added..they were=20
literaly 'attached')..i saw a NASCAR Hawk in a movie theater lobby =
promoting=20
a movie which I cannot remember(mid -late 1950s)...That was one of =
the cars=20
that added to the racing bug</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Racer Bud</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dspreiss@verizon.net =
href=3D"mailto:spreiss@verizon.net";>Steven=20
Preiss</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dedwardbarnard@prodigy.net=20
=
href=3D"mailto:edwardbarnard@prodigy.net";>edwardbarnard@prodigy.net</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Dfot@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October =
01, 2008=20
2:04 AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Non-LBC =
group=20
question</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One of my neighborhood friends =
growing up was=20
a Studebaker nut, a passion (or perhaps a genetic trait) no doubt=20
inherited from his dad. They would work into the night in the =
carport on=20
one or another of their cars, droplights providing a weary glow. =
The=20
cars, which as I recall ranged from a 1950 convertible, =
painted red=20
with a white top, to a sleek Silver Hawk with a 289 and glass =
packs,=20
always seemed exotic in an atypical American sort of=20
way. A buddy of theirs had what they referred to as=20
'the Studebaker farm', which was actually a small dairy =
farm<FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>, the main pasture of which was =
lined with=20
over 100 Studebakers that had been hauled in from all over the =
countryside=20
and carefully placed side by side around the perimeter, =
providing an=20
endless supply of parts and projects. Martin was a somewhat =
laconic fellow=20
who carpeted his cars with an array of carpet "chucks" gleaned =
from a=20
local flooring company. He also was the first in our group of =
carpoolers=20
to drive his own car to school. Some wild rides down narrow =
curving=20
residential streets are emblazoned in my memory. One striking=20
characteristic of the cars was the overdrives, activated by a =
little=20
toggle switch always placed inconspicuously under the dash. =
Another=20
was their propensity for burning oil, which meant that the =
dipstick became=20
a familiar friend. Which leads me to the point. Whether a=20
result of unintentional poor' design or intentional daily =
abuse, cans=20
of STP were always kept in the trunks of the cars, along with =
quarts=20
of inexpensive motor oil, giving true meaning to the term, =
"Studebaker=20
Tested Products"!</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>STeve P. ----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dedwardbarnard@prodigy.net=20
href=3D"mailto:edwardbarnard@prodigy.net";>EDWARD BARNARD</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dehusmann53@yahoo.com=20
href=3D"mailto:ehusmann53@yahoo.com";>ehusmann53@yahoo.com</A> ; =
<A=20
title=3Ddkettler@tcbi.com=20
href=3D"mailto:dkettler@tcbi.com";>dkettler@tcbi.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Dfot@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>FOT</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October =
02, 2008=20
3:44 AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] =
Non-LBC group=20
question</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Lister's: Thank you to all that answered my question =
about=20
STP. A call to their H.Q. public relations office this =
morning has=20
revealed what we should assume is the truth. The STP does =
stand=20
for Scientifically Treated Petroleum. The Wiki reference =
to it=20
standing for Studebaker Tested Products is in fact true. =
The=20
company did tie their name to the product for a short time =
until=20
Andy G. took over. But, the Wiki reference to King Richard =
no=20
longer being a spokeperson for the company is false. =
According to=20
the P.R. department, they have the longest commercial =
endorse in=20
history. </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks again to the list!</DIV>
<DIV> -Ed-<BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 9/30/08, David=20
<SPAN>Kettler</SPAN> <I><dkettler@tcbi.com></I></B>=20
wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: =
rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From:=20
David Kettler <dkettler@tcbi.com><BR>Subject: Re: =
[Fot]=20
Non-LBC group question<BR>To: =
ehusmann53@yahoo.com<BR>Cc: "FOT"=20
<fot@autox.team.net>, =
edwardbarnard@prodigy.net<BR>Date:=20
Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 9:52 PM<BR><BR><PRE>I =
recall when I was a kid collecting STP stickers at gas stations.
I always understood it to be Scientifically Tested Products.
Dave Kettler
At Tuesday, 30 September 2008, Ernest Husmann =
<ehusmann53@yahoo.com>=20
wrote:
>Ed:
>
>From STP's web page: STP =3D Scientifically Treated Petroleum--- On=20
Tue, 9/30/08, EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard@prodigy.net> wrote:
>From: EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard@prodigy.net>Subject: [Fot] =
Non-
LBC group questionTo: "FOT" <fot@autox.team.net>Date: Tuesday,
September=20
30, 2008, 11:06 AM
>
>Lister's: I'm writing a magazine article about Indy roadsters
(Kurtis',
Novi', etc) and am examining the Studebaker/Packard powered cars.
In 1963 Studebaker purchased from three gentlemen a little known=20
company named Chemical Compounds, which had an oil additive product=20
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>BTW, later I will relate this past Saturday spent with three =
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