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I remember them fondly. In fact I think one of Kas' books has a
picture of Peyote and I surrounded by a bevy of them. Cute little
buggers, lots of pink and white spandex, and friendly too. I wanted to
take some home, but I don't think that would have worked out all that
well. I was just interested in the shade, honest.
On Sep 25, 2008, at 9:33 PM, RACER BUD wrote:
> I like Playboy Bunnies...A Lot...They ARE fun...and...That's part of
> the whole Motor Racing Glamour...Old Movies like Grand
> Prix...LeMans...A Man and a Woman.....we had Umbrella Girls at the
> CSRG Charity Challenge 3 years ago...Wooohoo!..We laugh a lot in the
> pits during our CSRG Races...Our Gang has a Great Time...
> Racer Bud
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jim
> To: 'Bill Babcock'
> Cc: 'FOT'
> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 9:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Bedding Brakes, dangerous driving
>
> Define "speed".
>
> Is it the speed your car is capable of... your personal preference,
> or the normal speed of the run group?
>
> If Steve was running around the track at some really reduced
> speed... yeah, he should move off line. But what's the legal
> definition? 10mph slower? 20? 30? Who defines that?
>
> What's more important on a race course? A clear line? Or
> predicable drivers? What's safer?
>
> Keeping in mind that the scenario is also an early morning warm up
> session. Do you pull full rev full bore racing moves in that
> scenario? Where do you race? So I can avoid those tracks?
>
> Or did you read the original post at all? Going by too fast to read?
>
> Or should I slow down my questions so you can understand?
>
> Anyway... what's the ultimate goal of this mess? Corporate
> sponsorship and playboy bunnies? That was 30+ year ago.
>
> We're just supposed to be out there having fun.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jim
> Dallas
>
>
>
> From: Bill Babcock [mailto:Billb@bnj.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:14 PM
> To: britbits@netzero.com
> Cc: 'FOT'
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Bedding Brakes, dangerous driving
>
> Actually, it all comes down to whether or not you are at racing
> speed--your racing speed. You are not required or expected to move
> off the line if you are at speed. In fact it's a really bad idea.
> The overtaking drivers expect you to hold to your line, and he is
> responsible for managing the pass in a safe manner. What Steven was
> talking about is being on the line when he was NOT at racing speed,
> in other words, when he did not need to be there. And in any racing
> organization--vintage, SCCA or F1, you are NOT supposed to be on the
> line then.
>
> Bedding your brakes and breaking your engine in on line is not safe
> nor is it wise driving. People coming up behind you may not be able
> to go where you point them. I wasn't there so I couldn't say, but I
> bet that guy didn't go into the dirt because he wanted to.
>
>
> On Sep 25, 2008, at 9:05 PM, Jim wrote:
>
>> I understand the intent....
>>
>> When I went through my drivers school in a vintage race group, the
>> understanding was that you "drove the line". If someone wanted to
>> pass you, it was their RESPONSIBILITY to make a safe pass.
>>
>> Or is responsibility not a word to mention in this forum?
>>
>> One of the other racers shared an anecdote of "moving off line" to
>> allow easier passing.. and having a racer come in after that
>> session and give him a new oriface for violating the basic rule.
>>
>> When I was active in Vintage I was in a close cockpit car (Mini
>> Cooper S) so giving hand signals was difficult. But my
>> expectation was that if I was signalling right.. the overtaking car
>> should use that information in order to make a safe pass.
>>
>> I guess it's something that needs to be discussed with each vintage
>> group and a consensus formed before racers go on track. If the
>> rule is "stay on the line" then one set of rule apply. If it's
>> "if you're not at speed pick a different line" that also needs to
>> be agreed before cars hit the track.
>>
>> It all comes down to communication.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jim
>> Dallas
>> too many toys, not enough $$$
>>
>> From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-
>> bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock
>> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:51 PM
>> To: britbits@netzero.com
>> Cc: 'FOT'
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Bedding Brakes, dangerous driving
>>
>> You may not like this answer, so here's your opportunity to delete
>> before reading.
>>
>>
>> I, and I'll bet many other people in the FOT, have been in the
>> "douchebag's position before, when some guy traveling at a speed
>> that did NOT NEED to be at the line, pointed me by while I was
>> traveling at full chat--and pointed me into a place I did not want
>> to go. So my question is, if you were traveling that slowly, why
>> were you "pretty close to the line"? The line is where you need to
>> be when you need to be there, in other words, when you are at speed
>> and it's the only safe way through a corner. If you are driving to
>> the line, you don't need to be there. If the line is the only place
>> that the laws of physics permit your car to be, then you do.
>>
>> There's a reason why they say in any good driver's meeting "if you
>> are not at racing speed, get off the line". Several years ago this
>> guy who drove a car at what I considered 3/10s asked me why I
>> always passed him so closely. I, and the entire race group,
>> generally lapped him at least twice, sometimes three times. He was
>> driving the line, precisely. Just where his driving instructor told
>> him to drive. And he never deviated from the line. I considered him
>> the most dangerous thing I would encounter in any day on the the
>> track. I was thrilled when he quit "racing". In contrast, when you
>> come up on a gaggle of FV's battling it out, they might be 20 MPH
>> slower than you, but they need to be where they are. Nothing but
>> respect for that, lift and wait.
>>
>> If you aren't at the limit, then you are blocking the only safe
>> path through the course at speed. the guys who are coming up behind
>> you can't tuck in behind and wait for you to finish a corner--
>> they'd have to stand on their brakes to do that, and that's
>> dangerous in any racing condition. As Burt Levy might say, the
>> other driver was to blame, but you are responsible.
>>
>> We really DO call this racing. Vintage events are car shows with
>> picnics. Vintage races are races. If you are not at racing speed
>> you don't belong anywhere near the racing line.
>>
>>
>> On Sep 25, 2008, at 6:04 PM, Jim wrote:
>>
>>> Steven,
>>>
>>> Unfortunately they use the "r" word when describing vintage
>>> events... so
>>> some of the "kids" who loved Pole Position or the different PC
>>> games feel
>>> they need to drive like a jerk to be a "racer". Or maybe they saw
>>> "Days of
>>> Thunder" once too often ;)
>>>
>>> Aside from keeping an eye on the mirrors, it's probably not a bad
>>> idea to
>>> install an in car camera. Next time.. grab an official and show
>>> them the
>>> video. It's kind of hard to argue against a video.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Jim
>>> Dallas
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-
>>> bounces@autox.team.net] On
>>> Behalf Of Steven Belfer
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 6:24 PM
>>> To: FOT
>>> Subject: [Fot] Bedding Brakes, dangerous driving
>>>
>>> Speaking of dangerous driving situations, two weekends ago I
>>> raced at
>>> Buttonwillow in my TR3. I had new brakes that needed bedding.
>>> This meant I
>>> needed to heat up my brakes in the first practice session, let
>>> them cool so
>>> I could have good braking power for the rest of the weekend. I
>>> was in the
>>> first group so at 8:30am, I told the proper official-type guys
>>> what I needed
>>> to do and started in the back. I'm also running a fresh engine
>>> and feeling
>>> that out as well. Anyway, after about 3 or 4 laps I'm just about
>>> done
>>> bedding the brakes and I'm about to get lapped. This is the first
>>> "Warm-up"
>>> session of the weekend. A red 2002 is approaching me and I waved
>>> him to the
>>> left and moved to the right a little bit, while staying pretty
>>> close to the
>>> line. Next thing I know the guy is passing me on the right ON THE
>>> DIRT at
>>> full speed. He re-entered the track, got a little squirrelly,
>>> threw some
>>> rocks onto my car and kept going. This guy was racing hard with a
>>> yellow
>>> P1800 and not letting up one bit. He didn't want to sacrifice his
>>> lap time
>>> when overtaking me. The level of aggression took me by surprise
>>> and made me
>>> angry. It was, after all the morning warm-up and I truly did my
>>> best to get
>>> my job done safely and get off
>>> the race track. I tell my friends and family, when they ask if
>>> it's
>>> dangerous, "You see, it's a gentlemen's sport and there's no prize
>>> money."
>>> I would say that most of the drivers are safe and respectful of
>>> their
>>> machines and their abilities but all it takes is one douchebag
>>> move and
>>> you're in big trouble.
>>>
>>> ~SB
>>>
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<html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I remember them =
fondly. In fact I think one of Kas' books has a picture of Peyote and I =
surrounded by a bevy of them. Cute little buggers, lots of =
pink and white spandex, and friendly too. I wanted to take some home, =
but I don't think that would have worked out all that well. I was just =
interested in the shade, honest. <div><br><div><div>On Sep 25, =
2008, at 9:33 PM, RACER BUD wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
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auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff" =
style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><font face=3D"Arial" =
size=3D"2">I like Playboy Bunnies...A Lot...They ARE fun...and...That's =
part of the whole Motor Racing Glamour...Old Movies like Grand =
Prix...LeMans...A Man and a Woman.....we had Umbrella Girls at the CSRG =
Charity Challenge 3 years ago...Wooohoo!..We laugh a lot in the =
pits during our CSRG Races...Our Gang has a Great =
Time...</font></div><div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Racer =
Bud</font></div><blockquote style=3D"padding-right: 0px; padding-left: =
5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; margin-right: 0px; =
"><div style=3D"font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- =
Original Message -----</div><div style=3D"background-image: initial; =
background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; =
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10pt/normal arial; background-position: initial initial; =
"><b>From:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
title=3D"britbits@netzero.com" =
href=3D"mailto:britbits@netzero.com";>Jim</a></div><div style=3D"font: =
normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title=3D"Billb@bnj.com" =
href=3D"mailto:Billb@bnj.com";>'Bill Babcock'</a></div><div style=3D"font: =
normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
title=3D"fot@autox.team.net" =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>'FOT'</a></div><div style=3D"font: =
normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, September 25, =
2008 9:24 PM</div><div style=3D"font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal =
arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Fot] Bedding Brakes, =
dangerous driving</div><div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
align=3D"left"><span class=3D"000231504-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" =
color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2">Define "speed".</font></span></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span class=3D"000231504-26092008"><font =
face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2"></font></span> </div><div=
dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span class=3D"000231504-26092008"><font =
face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2">Is it the speed your car is =
capable of... your personal preference, or the normal speed of the run =
group?</font></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span =
class=3D"000231504-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" =
size=3D"2"></font></span> </div><div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span=
class=3D"000231504-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" =
size=3D"2">If Steve was running around the track at some really reduced =
speed... yeah, he should move off line. But what's the legal =
definition? 10mph slower? 20? 30? Who defines =
that?</font></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span =
class=3D"000231504-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" =
size=3D"2"></font></span> </div><div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span=
class=3D"000231504-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" =
size=3D"2">What's more important on a race course? A clear =
line? Or predicable drivers? What's =
safer?</font></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span =
class=3D"000231504-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" =
size=3D"2"></font></span> </div><div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span=
class=3D"000231504-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" =
size=3D"2">Keeping in mind that the scenario is also an early morning =
warm up session. Do you pull full rev full bore racing moves in =
that scenario? Where do you race? So I can avoid those =
tracks?</font></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span =
class=3D"000231504-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" =
size=3D"2"></font></span> </div><div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span=
class=3D"000231504-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" =
size=3D"2">Or did you read the original post at all? Going by too =
fast to read?</font></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span =
class=3D"000231504-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" =
size=3D"2"></font></span> </div><div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span=
class=3D"000231504-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" =
size=3D"2">Or should I slow down my questions so you can =
understand?</font></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span =
class=3D"000231504-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" =
size=3D"2"></font></span> </div><div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span=
class=3D"000231504-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" =
size=3D"2">Anyway... what's the ultimate goal of this mess? =
Corporate sponsorship and playboy bunnies? That was 30+ year =
ago. </font></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span =
class=3D"000231504-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" =
size=3D"2"></font></span> </div><div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span=
class=3D"000231504-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" =
size=3D"2">We're just supposed to be out there having =
fun. </font></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span =
class=3D"000231504-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" =
size=3D"2"></font></span> </div><div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span=
class=3D"000231504-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" =
size=3D"2"></font></span> </div><div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span=
class=3D"000231504-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" =
size=3D"2"></font></span> </div><div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span=
class=3D"000231504-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" =
size=3D"2">Cheers,</font></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
align=3D"left"><span class=3D"000231504-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" =
color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2"></font></span> </div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
align=3D"left"><span class=3D"000231504-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" =
color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2">Jim</font></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
align=3D"left"><span class=3D"000231504-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" =
color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2">Dallas</font></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
align=3D"left"><span class=3D"000231504-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" =
color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2"></font></span> </div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
align=3D"left"><span class=3D"000231504-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" =
color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2"></font></span> </div><br><div =
class=3D"OutlookMessageHeader" lang=3D"en-us" dir=3D"ltr" =
align=3D"left"><hr tabindex=3D"-1"><font face=3D"Tahoma" =
size=3D"2"><b>From:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Bill Babcock [<a =
href=3D"mailto:Billb@bnj.com";>mailto:Billb@bnj.com</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, September 25, =
2008 11:14 PM<br><b>To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:britbits@netzero.com";>britbits@netzero.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b=
><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>'FOT'<br><b>Subject:</b><span=
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Fot] Bedding Brakes, =
dangerous driving<br></font><br></div><div></div>Actually, it all comes =
down to whether or not you are at racing speed--your racing speed. You =
are not required or expected to move off the line if you are at speed. =
In fact it's a really bad idea. The overtaking drivers expect you to =
hold to your line, and he is responsible for managing the pass in a safe =
manner. What Steven was talking about is being on the line when he was =
NOT at racing speed, in other words, when he did not need to be there. =
And in any racing organization--vintage, SCCA or F1, you are NOT =
supposed to be on the line then. <div><br></div><div>Bedding your =
brakes and breaking your engine in on line is not safe nor is it wise =
driving. People coming up behind you may not be able to go where you =
point them. I wasn't there so I couldn't say, but I bet that guy didn't =
go into the dirt because he wanted =
to. </div><div><br><div><br><div><div>On Sep 25, 2008, at 9:05 PM, =
Jim wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div dir=3D"ltr" =
align=3D"left"><span class=3D"484395603-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" =
color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2">I understand the =
intent....</font></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span =
class=3D"484395603-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" =
size=3D"2"></font></span> </div><div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span=
class=3D"484395603-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" =
size=3D"2">When I went through my drivers school in a vintage race =
group, the understanding was that you "drove the line". If someone =
wanted to pass you, it was their RESPONSIBILITY to make a safe =
pass.</font></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span =
class=3D"484395603-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" =
size=3D"2"></font></span> </div><div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span=
class=3D"484395603-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" =
size=3D"2">Or is responsibility not a word to mention in this =
forum?</font></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span =
class=3D"484395603-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" =
size=3D"2"></font></span> </div><div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span=
class=3D"484395603-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" =
size=3D"2">One of the other racers shared an anecdote of "moving off =
line" to allow easier passing.. and having a racer come in after that =
session and give him a new oriface for violating the basic =
rule.</font></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span =
class=3D"484395603-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" =
size=3D"2"></font></span> </div><div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span=
class=3D"484395603-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" =
size=3D"2">When I was active in Vintage I was in a close cockpit car =
(Mini Cooper S) so giving hand signals was difficult. But my =
expectation was that if I was signalling right.. the overtaking car =
should use that information in order to make a safe =
pass.</font></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span =
class=3D"484395603-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" =
size=3D"2"></font></span> </div><div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span=
class=3D"484395603-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" =
size=3D"2">I guess it's something that needs to be discussed with each =
vintage group and a consensus formed before racers go on track. If =
the rule is "stay on the line" then one set of rule apply. =
If it's "if you're not at speed pick a different line" that also needs =
to be agreed before cars hit the track.</font></span></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span class=3D"484395603-26092008"><font =
face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2"></font></span> </div><div=
dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span class=3D"484395603-26092008"><font =
face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2">It all comes down to =
communication.</font></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span =
class=3D"484395603-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" =
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class=3D"484395603-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" =
size=3D"2">Cheers,</font></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
align=3D"left"><span class=3D"484395603-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" =
color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2"></font></span> </div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
align=3D"left"><span class=3D"484395603-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" =
color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2">Jim</font></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
align=3D"left"><span class=3D"484395603-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" =
color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2">Dallas</font></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
align=3D"left"><span class=3D"484395603-26092008"><font face=3D"Arial" =
color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2">too many toys, not enough =
$$$</font></span></div><br><div class=3D"OutlookMessageHeader" =
lang=3D"en-us" dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><hr tabindex=3D"-1"><font =
face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><b>From:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net";>fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a><=
span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a =
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et</a>]<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf =
Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Bill =
Babcock<br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, September 25, =
2008 10:51 PM<br><b>To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:britbits@netzero.com";>britbits@netzero.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b=
><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>'FOT'<br><b>Subject:</b><span=
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Fot] Bedding Brakes, =
dangerous driving<br></font><br></div><div></div>You may not like this =
answer, so here's your opportunity to delete before =
reading.<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I, and I'll bet many other =
people in the FOT, have been in the "douchebag's position before, when =
some guy traveling at a speed that did NOT NEED to be at the line, =
pointed me by while I was traveling at full chat--and pointed me into a =
place I did not want to go. So my question is, if you =
were traveling that slowly, why were you "pretty close to the =
line"? The line is where you need to be when you need to be there, in =
other words, when you are at speed and it's the only safe way through a =
corner. If you are<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><span=
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"text-decoration: underline; =
">driving</span><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>to =
the line, you don't need to be there. If the line is the only place that =
the laws of physics permit your car to be, then you =
do. </div><div><br></div><div>There's a reason why they say in any =
good driver's meeting "if you are not at racing speed, get off the =
line". Several years ago this guy who drove a car at what I considered =
3/10s asked me why I always passed him so closely. I, and the entire =
race group, generally lapped him at least twice, sometimes three times. =
He was driving the line, precisely. Just where his driving instructor =
told him to drive. And he never deviated from the line. I considered him =
the most dangerous thing I would encounter in any day on the the track. =
I was thrilled when he quit "racing". In contrast, when you come up on a =
gaggle of FV's battling it out, they might be 20 MPH slower than you, =
but they need to be where they are. Nothing but respect for =
that, lift and wait. </div><div><br></div><div>If you aren't at the =
limit, then you are blocking the only safe path through the course at =
speed. the guys who are coming up behind you can't tuck in behind and =
wait for you to finish a corner--they'd have to stand on their brakes to =
do that, and that's dangerous in any racing condition. As Burt Levy =
might say, the other driver was to blame, but you are =
responsible. </div><div><br></div><div>We really DO call this =
racing. Vintage events are car shows with picnics. Vintage races are =
races. If you are not at racing speed you don't belong anywhere near the =
racing line. </div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 25, =
2008, at 6:04 PM, Jim wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>Steven,<br><br>Unfortunately they use the "r" word =
when describing vintage events... so<br>some of the "kids" who loved =
Pole Position or the different PC games feel<br>they need to drive like =
a jerk to be a "racer". Or maybe they saw "Days of<br>Thunder" =
once too often ;)<br><br>Aside from keeping an eye on the mirrors, it's =
probably not a bad idea to<br>install an in car camera. Next =
time.. grab an official and show them the<br>video. It's kind of =
hard to argue against a =
video.<br><br><br>Cheers,<br><br>Jim<br>Dallas<br><br><br>-----Original =
Message-----<br>From:<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a=
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2008 6:24 PM<br>To: FOT<br>Subject: [Fot] Bedding Brakes, dangerous =
driving<br><br>Speaking of dangerous driving situations, two =
weekends ago I raced at<br>Buttonwillow in my TR3. I had new =
brakes that needed bedding. This meant I<br>needed to heat up my =
brakes in the first practice session, let them cool so<br>I could have =
good braking power for the rest of the weekend. I was in =
the<br>first group so at 8:30am, I told the proper official-type guys =
what I needed<br>to do and started in the back. I'm also running a =
fresh engine and feeling<br>that out as well. Anyway, after about =
3 or 4 laps I'm just about done<br>bedding the brakes and I'm about to =
get lapped. This is the first "Warm-up"<br>session of the weekend. =
A red 2002 is approaching me and I waved him to the<br>left and =
moved to the right a little bit, while staying pretty close to =
the<br>line. Next thing I know the guy is passing me on the right =
ON THE DIRT at<br>full speed. He re-entered the track, got a little =
squirrelly, threw some<br>rocks onto my car and kept going. This =
guy was racing hard with a yellow<br>P1800 and not letting up one bit. =
He didn't want to sacrifice his lap time<br>when overtaking me. =
The level of aggression took me by surprise and made me<br>angry. =
It was, after all the morning warm-up and I truly did my best to =
get<br>my job done safely and get off <br>the race track. =
I tell my friends and family, when they ask if it's =
<br>dangerous, "You see, it's a gentlemen's sport and there's no =
prize money."<br>I would say that most of the drivers are safe and =
respectful of their<br>machines and their abilities but all it takes is =
one douchebag move and<br>you're in big =
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