Re: [Fot] Ethanol in TX gasoline.

To:	"Ken Gano palm top" <triumphs@consolidated.net>
Subject:	Re: [Fot] Ethanol in TX gasoline.
From:	"Steven Preiss" <spreiss@verizon.net>
Date:	Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:54:14 +1100
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Thanks.=20
Seems a pretty big tank for such a small vehicle. Guess fill stations =
were fewer and farther between in the day.
BTW, I hate to fill it up, as the fumes more noticable when it is full. =
Thinking of installing a fume interceptor from a later MGB or TR6, but =
don't know how they are configured relative to the tank/vent. Any =
insights?
Steve P.=20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Ken Gano palm top=20
  To: Steven Preiss=20
  Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 12:47 PM
  Subject: RE: [Fot] Ethanol in TX gasoline.


  The manual cites "Imperial" gallons.  The conversion is 14.99 U. S. =
gallons.

  =20

  Kg

  =20

  =20

  -----Original Message-----
  From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net]On =
Behalf Of Steven Preiss
  Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 8:56 PM
  To: Tim Murphy
  Cc: fot@autox.team.net
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Ethanol in TX gasoline.

  =20

  I am wondering where the mixing of the fuels (Petrol and Ethanol) is =
done to allow for all these different percentages by location. Curious =
also whether the percentage varies by grade. Incidentally the manual =
states that the TR engines were designed to run on 80 octane. I'm =
guessing that the grading system has been changed since then. However I =
had been running 93 octane in my nearly stock TR3 street motor, until I =
decide to try a tank of 89. The engine seems to like the lower octane =
better, is running less rich and consuming fuel at a slower rate.

  Finally, can anyone tell me the capacity (US gals) of an early TR3 =
fuel tank? The manual states 12.5 gals, but I am putting in 12 gals with =
what appears to be something like 2 gals still remaining. Are they using =
Imperial measurement? (understand that 1 US gal equals about 5/6 =
Imperial gal)

  Steve P.---- Original Message -----=20


  From: Tim Murphy=20

  To: John Herrera ; Bill Collins ; FOT=20

  Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 2:25 AM

  Subject: Re: [Fot] Ethanol in TX gasoline.

  =20

  On the way to the Glen bought gas in Indiana, Ohio and New York and =
never saw an ethanol sticker on a single pump.  Here in Wisconsin they =
are on all the pumps, on all 3 grades.  I also saw someplace (can't =
remember where, CRS disease) that some supplieres are adding more than =
the required 10%.  An economic move I believe the article said.

  =20

  Tim

  ----- Original Message -----=20


  From: John Herrera=20

  To: Bill Collins ; FOT=20

  Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 10:38 AM

  Subject: Re: [Fot] Ethanol in TX gasoline.

  =20

  I spent Tuesday afternnon hanging about in my old friend's hangar. He =
was finishing an annual on a Piper Colt that has the Autogas STC. He =
needed gasoline to test the engine so he went to the nearby Sheetz and =
bought a can of 87 octane rating and a can of 91.
  =20
  Neither pump was labeled as containing ethanol.
  =20
  The STC allows the use of autogas only if it contains NO alcohol, so =
he tested the gas for alcohol content using a test kit. The kit came =
from Sporty's or Aircraft Spruce or equivalent.=20
  =20
  The 87 contained 8% and the 91 contained 5% alcohol.
  =20
  So I think this means that one can't always go by the labeling on the =
pump.
  =20
  John H.

  In Texas, soon as one get out of the metropolitan areas of Ft. Worth =
and Dallas, say 15 miles south of Fort Worth to Motor Sports Ranch, =
there is NO Ethanol in any of the pump gas.  I know this because while =
doing HPDE's in my M3 I looked for Shell 93 Oct. I noticed that the =
required  "May contain up to 10%  Ethanol"  sticker required by law to =
be on every pump containing Ethanol was absent along with any vapor =
recovery technology. The station owner confirmed...  No Ethanol

  =20

  Bill Collins

  '64 MK1 Spit racer


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Seems a pretty big tank for such a =
small=20
vehicle.&nbsp;Guess fill stations were fewer and farther between in the=20
day.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>BTW, I hate to fill it up, as the fumes =
more=20
noticable when it is full. Thinking of installing a fume interceptor =
from a=20
later MGB or TR6, but don't know how they are configured relative to the =

tank/vent. Any insights?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Steve P.</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dtriumphs@consolidated.net =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@consolidated.net";>Ken=20
  Gano palm top</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dspreiss@verizon.net=20
  href=3D"mailto:spreiss@verizon.net";>Steven Preiss</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 16, =
2008 12:47=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Fot] Ethanol in =
TX=20
  gasoline.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV class=3DSection1>
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12.0pt">The=20
  manual cites =93Imperial=94 gallons.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes">&nbsp;=20
  </SPAN>The conversion is 14.99 U. S.=20
  gallons.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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  size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">-----Original=20
  Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> =
<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net";>fot-bounces@autox.team.net</A>=
=20
  [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net]<B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">On=20
  Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Steven Preiss<BR><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday, September 13, =
2008 8:56=20
  PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Tim =
Murphy<BR><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> <A=20
  href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</A><BR><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Fot] Ethanol in =
TX=20
  gasoline.</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
  size=3D3><SPAN=20
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color=3Dblack=20
  size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">I am=20
  wondering where the mixing of the fuels (Petrol and Ethanol) is done =
to allow=20
  for all these different percentages by location. Curious also whether =
the=20
  percentage varies by grade. Incidentally the manual states that the TR =
engines=20
  were designed to run on 80 octane. I'm guessing that the grading =
system has=20
  been changed since the</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DTahoma color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">n. =
However I had=20
  been running 93 octane in my nearly stock TR3 street motor, until I =
decide to=20
  try a tank of 89. The engine seems to like the lower octane better, is =
running=20
  less rich and consuming fuel at a slower rate.</SPAN></FONT><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
  color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; =
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color=3Dblack=20
  size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Finally, =
can anyone=20
  tell me the capacity (US gals) of an early TR3 fuel tank? The manual =
states=20
  12.5 gals, but I am&nbsp;putting in 12 gals with what appears to=20
  be&nbsp;something like&nbsp;2 gals still remaining.&nbsp;Are they =
using=20
  Imperial measurement? (understand that&nbsp;1 US gal equals about 5/6 =
Imperial=20
  gal)</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DTahoma color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20
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color=3Dblack=20
  size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">Steve=20
  P.---- Original Message ----- </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DTahoma =
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  <DIV style=3D"font-color: black">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT =
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  color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A=20
  title=3Dtimmurph@fastbytes.com =
href=3D"mailto:timmurph@fastbytes.com";>Tim=20
  Murphy</A> </SPAN></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblack =
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  face=3DArial color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; =
FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
  face=3DArial color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A=20
  title=3Djrherrera90@hotmail.com =
href=3D"mailto:jrherrera90@hotmail.com";>John=20
  Herrera</A> ; <A title=3Dbkolnz@sbcglobal.net=20
  href=3D"mailto:bkolnz@sbcglobal.net";>Bill Collins</A> ; <A=20
  title=3Dfot@autox.team.net href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>FOT</A>=20
  </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20
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  face=3DArial color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Monday, =
September=20
  15, 2008 2:25 AM</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblack =
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  face=3DArial color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; =
FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
  face=3DArial color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re: [Fot] =
Ethanol=20
  in TX gasoline.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblack =
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  style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: =
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to the=20
  Glen bought gas in Indiana, Ohio and New York and never saw an ethanol =
sticker=20
  on a single pump.&nbsp; Here in Wisconsin they are on all the pumps, =
on all 3=20
  grades.&nbsp; I also saw someplace (can't remember where, CRS disease) =
that=20
  some supplieres are adding more than the required 10%.&nbsp; An =
economic move=20
  I believe the article said.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DTahoma =
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  style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: =
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  title=3Djrherrera90@hotmail.com =
href=3D"mailto:jrherrera90@hotmail.com";>John=20
  Herrera</A> </SPAN></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
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  style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: =
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  face=3DArial color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; =
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  face=3DArial color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A=20
  title=3Dbkolnz@sbcglobal.net href=3D"mailto:bkolnz@sbcglobal.net";>Bill =
Collins</A>=20
  ; <A title=3Dfot@autox.team.net =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>FOT</A>=20
  </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; =
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  style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: =
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43.5pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: =
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4.0pt"><B><FONT=20
  face=3DArial color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; =
FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
  face=3DArial color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Sunday, =
September=20
  14, 2008 10:38 AM</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
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  style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: =
medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: =
43.5pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: =
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4.0pt"><B><FONT=20
  face=3DArial color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; =
FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
  face=3DArial color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re: [Fot] =
Ethanol=20
  in TX gasoline.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; =
mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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  style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: =
medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: =
43.5pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: =
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  face=3DTahoma color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20
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  face=3DTahoma color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; =
mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
  style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: =
medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: =
0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 43.5pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; =
BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; =
mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt"><FONT=20
  face=3DTahoma color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">I spent =
Tuesday=20
  afternnon hanging about in my old friend's hangar. He was finishing an =
annual=20
  on a Piper Colt that has the Autogas STC. He needed gasoline to test =
the=20
  engine so he went to the nearby Sheetz and bought a can of 87 octane =
rating=20
  and a can of 91.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>Neither pump was labeled as containing=20
  ethanol.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>The&nbsp;STC allows the use of autogas only if =
it=20
  contains NO alcohol, so he tested the gas for alcohol content using a =
test=20
  kit. The kit came from Sporty's or Aircraft Spruce or equivalent.=20
  <BR>&nbsp;<BR>The 87 contained 8% and the 91 contained 5%=20
  alcohol.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>So I think this means that one can't always go =
by the=20
  labeling on the pump.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>John H.</SPAN></FONT><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
  color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; =
mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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  style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: =
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  face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; =
mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma">In=20
  Texas, soon as one get out of the metropolitan areas of Ft. Worth and =
Dallas,=20
  say 15 miles south of Fort Worth to Motor Sports Ranch, there is NO =
Ethanol in=20
  any of the pump gas.&nbsp; I know this because while doing HPDE's in =
my M3 I=20
  looked for Shell 93 Oct. I noticed that the required&nbsp; "May =
contain up to=20
  10%&nbsp; Ethanol"&nbsp; sticker required by law to be on every pump=20
  containing Ethanol was absent along with any vapor recovery =
technology. The=20
  station owner confirmed...&nbsp; No Ethanol</SPAN></FONT><FONT =
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  face=3DTahoma color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: =
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  style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: =
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  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; =
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  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; =
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  MK1 Spit racer</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DTahoma color=3Dblack =
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