This conversation is going on at the MGVR user group. I don't have the
time to coordinate chasing something like this down, but a $800 billet
crank that was GOOD would be a godsend. If the FOT hooked up with them
it would make the business more attractive for the chinese manufacturer.
Bill Babcock
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> Date: January 12, 2008 5:41:29 AM PST
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> Messages In This Digest (7 Messages)
> 1a.
> Re: Steel Billet Crankshaft From: paul flanery
> 1b.
> Re: Steel Billet Crankshaft From: edeanbutler
> 1c.
> Re: Steel Billet Crankshaft From: wihiii@aol.com
> 1d.
> Re: Steel Billet Crankshaft From: edeanbutler
> 1e.
> Re: Steel Billet Crankshaft From: Manley.L Ford
> 1f.
> Re: Steel Billet Crankshaft From: paul flanery
> 1g.
> Re: Steel Billet Crankshaft From: mga221
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> 1a.
> Re: Steel Billet Crankshaft
> Posted by: "paul flanery" paullflanery@sbcglobal.net speedraacer
> Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:48 am (PST)
>
> Thanks for the info, that's what I figured. he sent some pics. of 8
> cyl. and 4 cyl. cranks but can't really tell by the pics although
> they look good. He asked to send drawings or a sample crank so that
> they could duplicate. I'll ask for references here in the US. If you
> have any other suggestions please let me know. $850.00 USD is a lot
> less that the SB crankshafts made in the UK, in fact 2/3s less, but
> the quality and the unknown mfg. is the question.
>
> edeanbutler <edeanbutler@yahoo.com> wrote: I do not know anything
> about this company in China, but I can tell you that, for China,
> $850 would be a very high price. I do a lot of business in China,
> and I can assure you $850 FOB would be very high. I would think
> $300FOB more realistic in China.
>
> I would also not buy anything as critical as a crankshaft in China
> until you KNOW the outfit is doing good work. The Chinese do a lot
> of world class work and they also do a lot of junk. You have to
> know who you are dealing with.
>
> E. Dean Butler
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> From: MGVR@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MGVR@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Paul
> Sent: 11 January 2008 00:43
> To: MGVR@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MGVR] Steel Billet Crankshaft
>
> Has anyone heard anything about steel billet crankshafts being
> manufactured in China for MGA's, etc. I was contacted by a
> BWCrankshaft
> in WuQing Tianjin, China. Supposed to be made out of 4340 billet and
> nitrided. I was quoted a price of $850.00 US dollars that does not
> include shipping. If anyone knows if this is a viable co. or has had
> any dealing with them please let me know.
>
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> Messages in this topic (9)
> 1b.
> Re: Steel Billet Crankshaft
> Posted by: "edeanbutler" edeanbutler@yahoo.com edeanbutler
> Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:54 pm (PST)
>
> UK prices are crazy high. I do a lot of my racing in the UK and am
> familiar
> with UK vs USA prices. A BRM V8 crank in the UK is $10,000. The USA
> price
> for a crank every bit as good is about $3,000. Same for foundry work
> - UK
> prices three to four times USA prices. Just today we needed to have
> a 1959
> Cadillac crankshaft turned - here in the UK, the price was nearly
> $1,000.
> For $100, we will ship a good used crank from the USA instead.
>
> We ship things from the USA to the UK all the time to save money. The
> radiator on my wife's Grand Cherokee jeep recently split a seam. UK
> price
> for a new one was three times the USA price. We shipped one from the
> USA by
> air and still saved one third.
>
> Dean
>
> _____
>
> From: MGVR@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MGVR@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of paul
> flanery
> Sent: 11 January 2008 19:49
> To: MGVR@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [MGVR] Steel Billet Crankshaft
>
> Thanks for the info, that's what I figured. he sent some pics. of 8
> cyl.
> and 4 cyl. cranks but can't really tell by the pics although they
> look good.
> He asked to send drawings or a sample crank so that they could
> duplicate.
> I'll ask for references here in the US. If you have any other
> suggestions
> please let me know. $850.00 USD is a lot less that the SB
> crankshafts made
> in the UK, in fact 2/3s less, but the quality and the unknown mfg.
> is the
> question.
>
> edeanbutler <edeanbutler@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I do not know anything about this company in China, but I can tell
> you that,
> for China, $850 would be a very high price. I do a lot of business
> in China,
> and I can assure you $850 FOB would be very high. I would think
> $300FOB more
> realistic in China.
>
> I would also not buy anything as critical as a crankshaft in China
> until you
> KNOW the outfit is doing good work. The Chinese do a lot of world
> class work
> - and they also do a lot of junk. You have to know who you are
> dealing with.
>
> E. Dean Butler
>
> _____
>
> From: MGVR@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MGVR@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Paul
> Sent: 11 January 2008 00:43
> To: MGVR@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MGVR] Steel Billet Crankshaft
>
> Has anyone heard anything about steel billet crankshafts being
> manufactured in China for MGA's, etc. I was contacted by a
> BWCrankshaft
> in WuQing Tianjin, China. Supposed to be made out of 4340 billet and
> nitrided. I was quoted a price of $850.00 US dollars that does not
> include shipping. If anyone knows if this is a viable co. or has had
> any dealing with them please let me know.
>
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> Messages in this topic (9)
> 1c.
> Re: Steel Billet Crankshaft
> Posted by: "wihiii@aol.com" wihiii@aol.com
> Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:00 pm (PST)
>
> I will add to this conversaton that Moldex has made XPAG crankshafts.
>
> Bill Hollingsworth
>
> I would not touch a Chinese manufactured crankshaft in a race engine.
>
> **************
> Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.
>
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> 1d.
> Re: Steel Billet Crankshaft
> Posted by: "edeanbutler" edeanbutler@yahoo.com edeanbutler
> Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:58 pm (PST)
>
> I should have said in my last email that we use Moldex almost
> exclusively.
> There work is tops and prices reasonable. I cannot recall what they
> charge
> for an XPAG crank, but I think something like $1300.
>
> Dean
>
> _____
>
> From: MGVR@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MGVR@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> wihiii@aol.com
> Sent: 11 January 2008 20:59
> To: MGVR@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [MGVR] Steel Billet Crankshaft
>
> I will add to this conversaton that Moldex has made XPAG crankshafts.
>
> Bill Hollingsworth
>
> I would not touch a Chinese manufactured crankshaft in a race engine.
>
> **************
> Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.
> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
>
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> Messages in this topic (9)
> 1e.
> Re: Steel Billet Crankshaft
> Posted by: "Manley.L Ford" Manley.L.Ford@trw.com
> Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:24 pm (PST)
>
> Dean's $1300 is a bit better price than my recent experience - must
> be you have a volume discount, Dean!
> -Manley
>
> >>> "edeanbutler" <edeanbutler@yahoo.com> 1/11/2008 5:04 PM >>>
> I should have said in my last email that we use Moldex almost
> exclusively.
> There work is tops and prices reasonable. I cannot recall what they
> charge
> for an XPAG crank, but I think something like $1300.
>
> Dean
>
> _____
>
> From: MGVR@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MGVR@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> wihiii@aol.com
> Sent: 11 January 2008 20:59
> To: MGVR@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [MGVR] Steel Billet Crankshaft
>
> I will add to this conversaton that Moldex has made XPAG crankshafts.
>
> Bill Hollingsworth
>
> I would not touch a Chinese manufactured crankshaft in a race engine.
>
> **************
> Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.
> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
>
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> Messages in this topic (9)
> 1f.
> Re: Steel Billet Crankshaft
> Posted by: "paul flanery" paullflanery@sbcglobal.net speedraacer
> Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:07 pm (PST)
>
> Dean, does Moldex mfg. steel billet cranks for the MGA?
> Paul
>
> edeanbutler <edeanbutler@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I should have said in my last email that we use Moldex almost
> exclusively. There work is tops and prices reasonable. I cannot
> recall what they charge for an XPAG crank, but I think something
> like $1300.
>
> Dean
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> From: MGVR@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MGVR@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of wihiii@aol.com
> Sent: 11 January 2008 20:59
> To: MGVR@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [MGVR] Steel Billet Crankshaft
>
> I will add to this conversaton that Moldex has made XPAG crankshafts.
>
> Bill Hollingsworth
>
> I would not touch a Chinese manufactured crankshaft in a race engine.
>
> **************
> Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.
> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
>
> Back to topReply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post
> Messages in this topic (9)
> 1g.
> Re: Steel Billet Crankshaft
> Posted by: "mga221" carndrew@aol.com mga221
> Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:03 am (PST)
>
> --- In MGVR@yahoogroups.com, paul flanery <paullflanery@...> wrote:
> >Whitey from Moldex made up a crankshaft for me two years ago. Cost
> was about $1,800. Balanced, nitrited, and counter weights knife edged.
> > Dean, does Moldex mfg. steel billet cranks for the MGA?
> > Paul
> >
> > edeanbutler <edeanbutler@...> wrote:
> > I should have said in my last email that we use
> Moldex almost exclusively. There work is tops and prices reasonable.
> I cannot recall what they charge for an XPAG crank, but I think
> something like $1300.
> >
> > Dean
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> > From: MGVR@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MGVR@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of wihiii@...
> > Sent: 11 January 2008 20:59
> > To: MGVR@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [MGVR] Steel Billet Crankshaft
> >
> >
> > I will add to this conversaton that Moldex has made XPAG
> crankshafts.
> >
> > Bill Hollingsworth
> >
> > I would not touch a Chinese manufactured crankshaft in a race
> engine.
> >
> >
> > **************
> > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.
> > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?
> NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
> >
>
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