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Re: Lucas Dizzy, XR700, MSD

To: henry@henryfrye.com
Subject: Re: Lucas Dizzy, XR700, MSD
From: "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch@netzero.net>
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:08:47 GMT
I agree with Henry.  I have engine Dyno tested my tractor motor with a Mallory 
dual point (with points that were used for a season) and a MSD box and they 
both made the same power and torque.

I have not used a MSD box in the racer, but had a Crane 6000 (I think it was 
6000 whatever...) ignition in 1998 and that was responsible for my only DNF 
that year.  Took it out and went back to the dual point and all is well.

I was using an Armtech Rev limiter until June this year.  This is a small 
electronic device with 3 wires that I got from TruChoice, but it only lasted 
for 2 years.  In June I was driving in the paddock at Lime Rock and the car 
died.  I found a broken wire from the coil to the dist., but the car still 
would not start.  Disconnected the rev limiter and it fired up.  I have not 
been able to reach the folks at Armtech to see if the broken lead caused the 
unit to fail, but that is what I suspect.  It is all sealed in epoxy, so I 
can't take it apart to see.  What was nice about this one is that you can set 
it to whatever rev limit you want.  No pills to mess with.  Joe(B)

-- Henry Frye <henry@henryfrye.com> wrote:
I went full circle with the ignition in my TR4 racer, the car came with a 
Mallory dual point. Thinking I would be better off with an electronic 
ignition, I went through a pile of Lucas dizzies on my shelf and found my 
best one, got a Crane XR700 and thought I would be jake. In a word, no. 
High speed missing. The shaft was tight, the mechanical advance looked 
great but spark scatter was awful.

The XR700 came with a shutter plate that fit the Mallory, so I pulled the 
guts out of the Mallory and used the it to fire the XR700. Again, didn't 
work well. It worked way better than the Lucas did, but still had that high 
speed miss. I tried a couple of different coils, with and without a ballast 
resistor, no joy.

So I reverted back to the dual point setup in the Mallory, and life is good 
again.

The thing about MSD boxes seems to be not IF they will cause a DNF, but 
WHEN will they cause the DNF. I never ran an MSD box, but just about 
everyone I know that has run them has had trouble with them. At Grattan the 
Snook's Dream Team Alfa cooked another one. Also, I have seen dyno proof 
that they do not add anything to the TRactor motor power.

I understand why autocrossers need a rev limiter. In the 30 to 90 seconds 
of bliss a typical autocross run lasts I never even think of looking at my 
gauges. Maybe autocrossing will not heat an MSD up enough to be a problem, 
but if I were building an autocrosser, I would look at other rev limiter 
options.

Off to get wet at the Glen today.

Cheers


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