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Re: "Bizarre Brake Problem" - Revisited and Continuing

To: "David R. Conrad" <conrad1@gte.net>,
Subject: Re: "Bizarre Brake Problem" - Revisited and Continuing
From: "David R. Conrad" <conrad1@gte.net>
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 18:16:28 -1000
This didn't get to the "List" on original sending...

"David R. Conrad" wrote:

> Tom, "the List", and "Sages"
>
> "David R. Conrad" wrote:
>
> > That phenomena of the master cylinder not permitting the return of the
> > hydraulic fluid would provide for *exactly* what I've been observing!  This 
>is
> > particularly true after the discovery I made today...
>
> Others proposed several different mechanisms, by which pressure could be 
>built up
> and maintained for a while in the rear hydraulics.  To me, the master cylinder
> seemed the most likely.  I have a new MC on order being sent Priority Mail...
>
> > ...98% confident that you have identified the cause of the problem that has
> > eluded me for about a full month.
>
> There  still remained that 2%...
>
> I was going to remove the existing cylinder in preparation for installing the 
>new
> one when it arrived, but thought I'd do a few final tests before doing so.
>
> I had already readjusted the brakes to the "normal" condition; that is, two
> "notches" back from shoe/drum contact - car still on jack stands, and the 
>drums
> rotated freely
>
> I "reasoned" that, that if this pressure buildup occurred while driving, it
> should also do so, pumping the brakes while just sitting.  So, I pumped the
> brakes "hard" about 20 times.  Then, I checked the drums, and found that they
> still rotated freely over the shoes!!  (I also had not experienced that 
>"hard",
> no-travel pedal.)
>
> So, I put the wheels back on, removed it from the jack stands, and found I 
>could
> push it easily in the garage.  I then tried the same test of pumping the 
>brakes
> hard 20 times.  I could still push it easily in the garage.
>
> Then, I put the dog in the car (she loves this!) and went for another test
> drive.  With the correctly adjusted brakes I started out with about an inch 
>and a
> half of pedal travel.  After about a mile and a half of driving, this amount 
>of
> pedal travel had reduced to essentially zero and I could feel brake drag 
>starting
> to occur.  I returned to the garage.  I didn't bother jacking the car back 
>up, I
> just tried pushing it.  Couldn't.
>
> Now, I'm really confused!!
>
> help...
>
> Dave
>
> (Before clicking "send", I couldn't believe what I had just written, myself.  
>I
> went down and redid this exact test sequence.  The only difference, this time 
>I
> pumped the brakes "hard" 40 times - still rolled easily.  Then, I drove 
>exactly 2
> miles, loss of pedal and brakes started dragging at 1.5.  Couldn't push it 
>after
> return to garage,)
>
> David R. Conrad" wrote:
>
> > Eureka!!  Tom (perhaps*)
> >
> > That phenomena of the master cylinder not permitting the return of the
> > hydraulic fluid would provide for *exactly* what I've been observing!  This 
>is
> > particularly true after the discovery I made today.

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