Damn....I bought Calspeed's Car without checking all of those things....
I dont like the car anymore....
Andrew Murphy <solex67@hotmail.com> wrote: All,
I have had discussions with other owners about originality and its
importance. I agree with Gordon, it's all about what you want and what you
are willing to pay.
The stamping on the frame is very lightly done and with a little creativity
you could have a "numbers matching" frame in no time. When I bought my 67.5
2000, I saw paperwork on the car dating back to 1975. What happened in the
eight years before that is anyone's guess.
My engine block and frame numbers match the ID plate. I have the correct
67.5 2000 gauges and I have a license trim ring. While I am as sure as I can
be that my car is an original numbers matching car it is not why I bought
it. I really do love the car and I want to see it restored properly.
It's only pwhen eople knowingly try to pass a car off as a 67.5 2000 when it
isn't that causes problems. I have not heard of anyone doing this and would
never accuse anyone of doing it but I am sure it has happened.
So "Caveat Emptor" I guess. Look at the car, ask questions and take your
time. Most of the people in SoCalROC could care less about matching numbers.
They just like their cars and don't care what the serial numbers under the
hood are. If you really want a 67.5 2000 with matching numbers you will find
one. Just be patient.
Except Mine. It's not for sale... ;-)
See you on the road!
Andrew Murphy
SRL311-00489 Solex
SoCalROC
From: "Gordon Glasgow"
Reply-To: "Gordon Glasgow"
To: "roadster list"
Subject: RE: another 67 2L surfaces
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:34:46 -0700
OTOH, I have the block that originally came in my car (U20-00786), but after
I
had the block surfaced during a rebuild in 1973, the numbers are gone. So
lack
of numbers doesn't *necessarily* indicate that it isn't original.
As to the frame, I've never been able to find a frame number on my car. I
know
it was a race car for it's first year of life, and there was indication that
it
had sustained significant front-end damage at some point. Maybe the frame
was
bent so bad that they threw another frame under it. But it was only 4 years
old
when I got it, and nobody gave a rip about 67.5 2000's at that time.
I understand the reasons for the "originality" question, since lots of
people
want a 67.5 2000, but it is almost unproveable. Even if the VIN was stamped
in
multiple places (frame, floor pan, fenders, doors, etc.), it would not
indicate
whether parts swapping had taken place due to routine repair or due to an
attempt to "create" a car. On a unibody car, you might be able to make a
case,
but which is the "real" part of the car, the frame or the body? And if
somebody
stuck a new frame under my car because the original one got stuffed, does
that
make my car no longer genuine?
It's like Jay Leno said about his Bugatti Royale, "Only 5 were built, and 10
are
still in existence."
Gordon Glasgow
Renton, WA
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net
> [mailto:owner-datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Russ & Lee
> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 9:15 PM
> To: Thomas Walter; roadster list
> Subject: Re: another 67 2L surfaces
>
>
> Must be why I can't find a number on my spare U20 eng. I even tried acid
> to bring up a # nothing
> there.
> Russ Southwell 70 1600
>
> Thomas Walter wrote:
>
> >>If a roadster has a 67.5 U20 & 67.5 SRL Vin Plate, but a SPL frame
...is
> >>this really a 67.5 2000 ?
> >>
> >
> >
> >Dan, my first thought would be NO WAY... FAKE, IMPOSTOR, REBUILD...
> >Then again if the frame number matched the VIN plate and was correct
> >for the time period... well, the fellow stamping the frame may have
> >had a little too much Sake the night before!
> >
> >I think there is a LEFT HAND drive 2000 running around with SR311....
> >They forgot to stamp the "L" in the frame.
> >
> >So if the vehicle was SRL311-00547, yet the frame had SPL311-00547
> >I would suspect it was a true '67 2000. Just hope there is a paper
> >trail documentation to show this is true, and not an altered VIN
> >Plate (you could buy new ones from the Dealers, and restamp the
> >numbers yourself).
> >
> >The replacement engine blocks were generally never stamped with
> >a serial number. So that could be restamped.
> >
> >Thankfully we do not have Ferrari's, so something's can slide. Ya,
> >love the trivia but it is fun to try to figure out what is real
> >and what isn't. There was a '67.5 1600 w/ 2000 running gear on
> >eBay a couple of weeks ago... I chuckled when I saw an opening bid
> >of $11,500. Nice car, but wasn't original. IT SOLD! I have no
> >idea what Calspeed sold his '67 2000 for... but that would have
> >been a much better vehicle!
> >
> >Too much diet coke today... need to get off the computer and go
> >for a walk!
> >
> >Tom
> >
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