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Re[2]: Plugs and their gaps

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Subject: Re[2]: Plugs and their gaps
From: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:46:56 -0800
Breakerless ignition is fine for some, but I don't like them. The "classic" 
setup gives you more control over dwell. I would recommend the breakerless 
ignition for those trying to adjust and fix a sick or wornout engine, as it 
eliminates the points as a problem area so one can concentrate elsewhere. 
Once everything else is good, one can switch back to points if performance 
is your game. As Ron indicated you have to monitor point wear, so 
breakerless ignition is better for those who want consistency from their 
distributors.

I have found big performance gains from properly adjusted ignition points 
versus the breakerless ignition. And this is on three different roadster 
engines with three different Pertronix breakerless setups. If anyone has a 
way to set dwell on the Pertronix to get a better spark then I'd like to 
hear it. Pertronix setups just seem to provide anemic power.

I set my dwell around 53 degrees and the timing around 16 degrees on my SU 
2000.

Oh, another thing - I've seen poorly running engines where the driver 
attributes the problems to the fuel system, but I see it as bad 
distributors. One or more items can go bad in a distributor and adversely 
affect performance - worn bushings, wornout breaker plate, worn cam lobes, 
worn wires, worn weights or broken springs, bad cap or rotor. (Most of this 
is true regardless of using Pertronix or points.) A replacement with a 
rebuilt distributor can work wonders (as in smooth running).

Fred - So.SF

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Subject: Re: Plugs and their gaps
Author:  Ronnie Day <ronday@home.com> 
Date:    4/6/2001 8:22 AM


>When I had points I had the same problem as the dwell was not in spec when I 
>set the points to the correct gap. I read that dwell was more important than 
>the gap and you should go for the correct dwell.  And I always thought it 
>was just me!!!
     
The dwell is direct effected by the point gap. It's the measurement (in 
degrees of rotation) of how long the points are closed. The smaller the 
gap, the longer (or greater) the dwell, the larger the gap, the shorter 
dwell. Dwell is the more accurate way of adjusting the points because 
it's not effected by pitted or nonparallel point contacts. You need to 
set the dwell before you set the timing because the timing is determined 
by the dwell.
     
If your points are pitted it's best to replace them, but they can be 
filed flat. You should also use a little bit of high temp grease to lube 
the rubbing block where it contacts the cam lob. Realize that as the 
rubbing block wears the point gap closes and dwell increases. If you 
don't use the right lube at this point, the wear will be faster.
     
IMHO, the best thing to do is to adapt a breakerless (magnetic pickup) 
from a later model (late '70s) L-series motor. We've discussed it on the 
list before and while I don't remember all the details, I think it 
involves combining the top end of the L-4 electronic distributor with the 
base from the U-20 if not also on the R-16. Point wear and timing drift 
become things of the past. If you want keep the point type distributor 
for shows and such, that's great, but I think you'll be amazed at how 
much better a car will run with this setup, if everything else is in good 
condition. It's not a cure all for a sick or worn out engine.
     
Maybe TMI, but since you asked.
     
FWIW,
Ron
     
Ronnie Day
ronday@home.com
Dallas/Ft. Worth
'71 510 2-dr (Prepared Class Autocrosser) 
'73 510 2-dr (Street Toy)

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