Whoa! I don't think that Adam deserves that response! He is actually
correct in that this is a Roadster list and the primary focus should be
roadsters. The scam that Phil forwarded prey's on the greed within society.
With few exceptions, Roadster folks are not greedy (well, we may greedily
collect roadsters and parts, but that is a different topic) so they are not
likely victims.
Adam is also correct in the statement that this is made public via just
about every media route possible. Sometimes it is done to death (imho)
Since Adam expressed trepidation at sending his note in the first place, we
should cut him some slack. Personally, I am on Adam's side - and I am very
aware of these fraud rings as I used to work in the fraud prevention unit of
a major bankcard.
On to Roadster stuff. I ordered a bunch of Roadster bits! (check will be
in the mail today Stan) Maybe my Japanese mistress will see the light of day
and roll under her own power this year!!
Sid
>From: "Patrick P. Castronovo" <slick1@mohaveaz.com>
>Reply-To: datsunroadsters@yahoogroups.com
>To: "Adam Bradley" <ambradley@yahoo.com>, "Hall, Phillip"
><Phillip.Hall@msfc.nasa.gov>, "Roadsters (E-mail)"
><Datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net>, "Roadsters (E-mail 2)"
><datsunroadsters@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [datsunroadsters] Re: OT FW: Nigerian Scam Letters
>Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:31:58 -0800
>
>Are you trying to justify your responding to their come on Carrot, by being
>upset that there those of us that feel betrayed enough by Society that when
>a scam comes along we respond by alerting all of the people we know.
>
> And if no one was aware of this going on, you could feel better when
>you
>have been sucked in to the trap. You could then say, Oh! But I did'nt
>know.
> Well you are aware, and if you think you will benefit by jumping onto
>their
>bandwagon, I say: take a good leap, and good luck!
> Pat
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Adam Bradley <ambradley@yahoo.com>
>To: Patrick P. Castronovo <slick1@mohaveaz.com>; Hall, Phillip
><Phillip.Hall@msfc.nasa.gov>; Roadsters (E-mail)
><Datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net>; Roadsters (E-mail 2)
><Datsunroadsters@onelist.com>
>Date: Monday, March 12, 2001 10:16 AM
>Subject: Re: OT FW: Nigerian Scam Letters
>
>
> >I initially resisted the nearly overwhelming urge to reply but after
> >the second (and now third by the time I actully sent this) message am
> >going to do it anyway. I may regret this later if I find out I'm alone
> >and shunned, but if that's the price I have to pay...
> >
> >I understand that some people are greedy, gullible, mentally
> >incompetent, stupid, or lonely enough - or a combination of the above -
> >to fall for these scams and I appreciate the government warning me and
> >the media following up on it in print, television and radio. However,
> >this list just doesn't seem like the right place.
> >
> >We discuss Datsun Roadsters and I completely understand getting off on
> >tangents about other Datsun/Nissan cars, different convertibles,
> >collectible cars, places to drive, etc. But to me, this has no
> >connection with Datsun Roadsters at all.
> >
> >Am I alone?
> >
> >
> >--- "Patrick P. Castronovo" <slick1@mohaveaz.com> wrote:
> >> I have received these letters and have copied and pasted them to the
> >> Las
> >> Vegas FBI.
> >> Would you like to read them ?
> >> I can copy and paste here also. Pat
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Hall, Phillip <Phillip.Hall@msfc.nasa.gov>
> >> To: Roadsters (E-mail) <Datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net>; Roadsters
> >> (E-mail
> >> 2) <Datsunroadsters@onelist.com>
> >> Date: Monday, March 12, 2001 9:38 AM
> >> Subject: OT FW: Nigerian Scam Letters
> >>
> >>
> >> >Sorry to hit the list with these, but I figure if the Gov takes
> >> these
> >> >seriously we should too.
> >> >
> >> >Phil
> >> >
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >From: MSFC Activity Notice
> >> >Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 10:54 AM
> >> >To: MSFC Activity Notice
> >> >Subject: Nigerian Scam Letters
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >The "Nigerian Scam"
> >> >
> >> >Strategic intelligence has identified that West African organized
> >> crime
> >> >groups have for many years conducted a type of fraud against
> >> individuals
> >> and
> >> >companies commonly known as "advance fee". It is also known as the
> >> 4-1-9
> >> >fraud after the penal code in Nigeria that makes it illegal. These
> >> groups
> >> >also carry out highly organized housing, social security and other
> >> grants
> >> >frauds. The profits from these crimes are often used to finance drug
> >> >trafficking, where the same middlemen transport drugs from source to
> >> >consumer countries.
> >> >
> >> >'419' letters are distributed by postal mail, by facsimile (fax),
> >> and
> >> >primarily in recent months through e-mail channels. In a typical
> >> '419'
> >> >(advance fee fraud) letter, the author purports to be a senior
> >> government
> >> or
> >> >central bank official who has managed to over-inflate a contract,
> >> generating
> >> >a personal profit. In return for help in smuggling the money out of
> >> the
> >> >country, the recipient is offered a percentage, usually between 10%
> >> and
> >> 30%.
> >> >At first no money may be requested but once a victim has been drawn
> >> in,
> >> >requests are made for funds to pay legal and administrative fees.
> >> Victims
> >> >have lost hundreds of thousands of dollars in some cases.
> >> >
> >> >These e-mail letters have been received in increasing numbers at
> >> MSFC in
> >> >recent months. If you receive a '419' letter at MSFC either in
> >> hard-copy
> >> or
> >> >electronic form, DO NOT REPLY TO THE LETTER, but retain it and
> >> contact the
> >> >MSFC Information Technology Security Coordinator (ITSC) Steve R.
> >> Jones at
> >> >telephone 544-4373. You may be asked to forward the letter to the
> >> ITSC
> >> for
> >> >inclusion in Center submittals to Federal officials.
> >Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices.
> >http://auctions.yahoo.com/
> >
>
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