What comes into play when building strokers utilizing Rover blocks and Buick
300 cranks...with Buick Bell and GM tranny???
Mark in St. Louis
> From: buick-rover-v8-owner@autox.team.net Wed Nov 8 21:42:13 2000
> Reply-To: Jim Stuart <jimbb88@erols.com>
> Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 22:19:53 -0500
> To: David Kernberger <dkern@napanet.net>
> Cc: Larry Hoy <larryhoy@prodigy.net>, buick-rover-v8@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: Buick 215 Bellhousing
>
> David & all-
>
> The GM T-5 bolts directly to the 4-speed 215 bell housing and to the combo
> 3/4-speed bell housing. It does not bolt to the 215 3 speed bell housing.
>
> The Ford T-5 can be made to work with any 215 bell housing using an adapter
> plate
> such as the one D & D sells.
>
> If you are using a later model Rover engine rather than a Buick or Olds 215,
> you
> will need a spacer approximately 3/8" thick either between the engine & bell
> housing or between the bell housing & transmission. Casual observation will
> not
> reveal this fact as the whole mess will bolt right up, but the engine will not
> turn. This is because the later Rover cranks are longer at the rear than the
> GM
> versions, & the input shaft will bottom out in the end of the crank, putting
> enough pressure on the thrust surfaces that the engine cannot turn.
> Alternately,
> you may have the transmission input shaft shortened.
>
> Mixing Rover engines with GM trannies will require a custom pilot bearing. Not
> a
> big deal.
>
>
> Jim Stuart
>
>
> David Kernberger wrote:
>
>> 11/8/00
>>
>> Larry & group.
>>
>> I thought I had the stock bell housing situation all figured out
>> but that is apparently not true afterall. Is an adaptor plate necessary
>> for the GM T-5? Later bell housings all have the correct bolt pattern on
>> them already, don't they? Or is the adaptor only for the Ford T-5? It
>> must take care of the bolt-pattern differnece and different input shaft
>> length at the same time. Is that correct?
>>
>> I remember my very early 1961 Olds F-85 bell housing was drilled
>> only for the Borg Warner T 86 3-speed tranny. But my understanding is that
>> all housings were produced with both the 3- and 4-speed drillings once the
>> optional T-85 4-speed was introduced in mid-to-late 1961 production. Is
>> this not true? Are the GM T-85 4-speed and T-5 5-speed bolt patterns
>> different? I thought they were the same. I thought the GM T-5 was a
>> direct boltup, including input shaft length and pilot bearing guide. Is
>> this true?
>>
>> So, what am I missing? TIA
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dave K.
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>
>>> That's the second time this bellhousing has been advertised. The first
>>> time the seller had a $100
>>> minimum bid. It didn't sell. I offered him $25 after the auction. He
>>> refused.
>>>
>>> Then I called Dan Lagrue. Good thing I didn't buy. The adapter Dan sells
>>> makes the housing so long
>>> the GM T-5 won't fit. However the Ford T-5 will. This is because the
>>> Ford T-5 has a longer input
>>> shaft.
>>>
>>> http://cgi6.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=490227158
>>>
>>> Larry Hoy
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-buick-rover-v8@autox.team.net
>>>> [mailto:owner-buick-rover-v8@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of lmg@gomog.com
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 11:31 PM
>>>> Cc: buick-rover-v8@autox.team.net
>>>> Subject: Buick 215 Bellhousing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> If anyone is interested, I browsed by this on Ebay
>>>>
>>>> FACTORY MANUAL 3SPD BELLHOUSING. THIS CAN BE USED WITH 4 OR 5 SPD.BY
>>>> USING AN
>>>> ALUMINUM 3/8" ADAPTER PLATE MADE FROM TEMPLATE I HAVE TRACED FROM A 4SPD
>>>> BELLHOUSING.and will give the correct spacing for gm muncie camaro or
>>>> trans am transmission. In great condition no crack. Buyer pays fixed
>>>> freight of $15.00
>>>>
>>>> bidding was up to 49.99
>>>>
>>>> Lorne
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