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Re: Any SAE or SEMA people? (exhaust volume)

To: sbunin@cablespeed.com, Bricklin@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: Any SAE or SEMA people? (exhaust volume)
From: GLCurley@aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:19:53 EST
Thanks a lot for that link, and for confirming it is not public domain.  I 
would still like to see the actual document, since it looks like there are some 
details omitted such as what all the distances represent, whether the engine 
should be hot, the environmental details, length of time for measurement, etc.  
In general, I don't have a problem with an organization or standards body 
charging for its publications and standards since most of them do, and I belong 
to a few of them myself.

The problem comes when the legislature enacts a law directly affecting the 
public, which references a private organizaton's literature.  That means that 
in 
order for a citizen to avoid breaking the law, he has to pay money to a third 
party to find out what the law is.  It is tantamount to a Secret Law.  To 
illustrate with speed limits: Imagine if all the roads had speed limits, which 
were different for different vehicles, but those limits were not posted.  You 
could face criminal charges for violating the limit, (and not knowing it would 
not be an excuse) but you would have to go into a store and buy a piece of 
paper in order to find out your speed limit.  

If the ALL details of the test are not freely accessible, you would never 
know if the tester was conducting the test properly or not.  Personally, I 
would 
not care for a cop sitting my my car revving the engine in neutral while 
guessing what 75% of peak horsepower is.

This is what we are facing in Virginia: "No person shall modify the exhaust 
system of a motor vehicle so that the exhaust system emits in excess of 95 
decibels as measured by the Society of Automotive Engineers Standard J1169. For 
the purposes of this section, a motorcycle shall not be deemed a motor vehicle."

That's it, the entire exhaust noise bill as submitted.  Notice that it only 
applies to aftermarket exhausts, and if your muffler falls off on its own, you 
are free and clear.  One can speculate why it does not apply to motorcycles, 
and assume that since trucks are not excluded, the trucking lobby is not yet 
aware of the bill.  The worst part is, SEMA is spamming every car club urging 
people to support this idiotic and flawed bill.

George

In a message dated 1/27/2005 9:52:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
sbunin@cablespeed.com writes:

> I'm a member of SAE, and yes, even we have to pay for any SAE publications 
> (we
> just get a discount). But please realize, the SAE does not make laws, it 
> defines
> industry test standards such that consist repeatable results may be 
> produced. It does
> not set the limits for passing the test, only the test method. It's the 
> overzealous 
> governments that spec the limits.
> 
> The web is a wonderful thing though, and the test procedure can be found at 
> the bottom
> of the link below:
> http://mzmperformance.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=MOS&;
> Product_Code=mzmaps3cb&Category_Code=SubEX
> 
> Seth
> #1544




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