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From: Phil Martin <pmartin@isgtec.com>
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 14:52:33 -0400
Well, I'm not sure that a 5.0 would make a very good choice in the Brick - 
with all that weight, I think you'd really benefit from (and want) the 
low-end torque of either a 351, or a blown 5.0.  The NA 5.8 will make a 
much more economical choice, and with EFI would be a very nice, drivable 
machine, when you could keep it pointed straight. ;)

I've been looking for an EFI solution, and right now, my list looks 
something like this:

        1) Ford EFI - it's not clear to me exactly how much this would cost, or 
if 
it would fit under the hood, but a GT-40 intake under there would look 
pretty damn trick.
        2) BG Fuel systems' VFI - venturi fuel injection.  Basically, it's a 
more 
sophisticated TBI system that's based on a modified Holley carb.  Extremely 
easy to install & tune, but expensive: $2300 US, and you still have to buy 
a manifold.
        3) Holley Pro-jection - I've heard mixed reviews on this TBI solution. 
 The 700CFM, digital 4-barrel they recommend for my application (V8s from 
225-400hp, able to sustain at least 13" of vacuum) runs for about $2000 
CDN.
        4) SDS- looks like a nice system - about $1000 US for the EM-2E system, 
which comes with the fuel injection computer, all wiring, and controller 
for a crank-triggered ignition.  Add $600-800 for injectors, maybe another 
$500 for misc stuff like the required MSD 6A or Crane HI6 ignition stuff, 
fuel pump, etc.  Plus a decent chunk o' money for a manifold & throttle 
body.
        5) Force Fuel Injection - looks more like full-race stuff - about $2700 
US, including injectors & manifold.

The more I look around, the more cost-effective it looks to buy a whole 
donor car and start from there.  Especially if I could get my hands on a 
T-bird & hack that 5-speed and IRS into the SV-1.  I'm doing some research 
about that right now, and will report back what I find.

--
Phil Martin                             pmartin@isgtec.com
"Art disappoints me when it is too little like life,
 Life disappoints me when it is too much like art."

-----Original Message-----
From:   Olenick, Jamison [SMTP:Olenick@ssims.nci.nih.gov]
Sent:   Friday, May 29, 1998 11:29 AM
To:     Bricklin Mailing List (E-mail)
Subject:        RE: 86 Econoline as donor vehicle

Phil,
   I am glad that I was giving correct advice.
   Good luck in finding yourself a wrecked T-Bird.  Sounds like it would
work well though.   OR the best solution would be a wrecked Lightning
Truck because it has a nicely tuned 351 Windsor with the EFI setup with
a Heavy Duty AOD ( I think that it is refered to as an AOD-E) trans.
(only no IRS)  ...but then you are talking high$
   Anyone know of a 5.0 EFI conversion in a Brick?  I have considered it
many times myself having seen 5.0 EFI conversions in just about
everything from 1950's trucks, Mazda Miatas (called Monster Miatas), and
even in a 12 second Lincoln Town Car - Yes a 4500 lb. 400+ hp.
supercharged Lincoln Town Car. (I actually know this guy reasonably
well).  I think that a Bricklin is due...
        
                                                Jamie O.


Well, I called the SVO tech hotline yesterday to talk about the
suitability
of my dad's 86 5.0 van, and they echoed Jamie Olenick's comments:

        1) The EFI system isn't worth it because it's speed-density and
won't be
able to work with anything other than a stock 5.0 (as opposed to a
fire-breathing 5.8)
        2) The AOD tranny, with a shift kit, should be just fine up to
the power
levels I'm shooting for (about 350 at the crank), but they recommended
that
when I'm having the shift kit installed, the newer (I think it was
introduced in 89) cooling fix should be applied.

I've decided that it's not worth the hassle for just the tranny.  I
think a
wrecked 89 5.0 T-bird would make a much more suitable donor since the
EFI,
transmission (AOD or 5-speed), and IRS would all be there...

--
Phil Martin                             pmartin@isgtec.com
"Art disappoints me when it is too little like life,
 Life disappoints me when it is too much like art."


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