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Re: Couple more questions related to National Tour event

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Subject: Re: Couple more questions related to National Tour event
From: "Viet-Tam Luu" <vtluu@vtluu.net>
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 21:43:40 -0700
Autocross expenses:
- Evo 8: $30000
- 2 new sets of tires, balancing, alignment (to date): $1400
- Entry fees (to date): $400
- Sparking a dozen-message thread about whether or not I have to buy a $15
rulebook: priceless

 ;-)

--
Viet-Tam Luu
vtluu@vtluu.net

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Stevens" <kevin_stevens@pursued-with.net>
To: "Thana, Peter {HTS~Palo Alto}" <peter.thana@ROCHE.COM>
Cc: <vtluu@vtluu.net>; <ba-autox@autox.team.net>; "Donald R McKenna"
<donbarbmckenna@earthlink.net>; "Jim Ochi" <jim_ochi@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: Couple more questions related to National Tour event


>
> On Apr 26, 2004, at 20:09, Thana, Peter {HTS~Palo Alto} wrote:
>
> > Well if you look at the message that started this all, Tam's original
> > question stemmed from the Schedule page of the Atwater Tour on the SCCA
> > site.  It does indeed say "Please bring your driver's license, SCCA
> > membership, and rule book".  You can go see it yourself.  That may not
> > be the rule, but that's what it says there and that's why he was
> > confused.
>
> Ok.  But the difference is, if there weren't any for sale he didn't
> need to freak out to try and get one of his own by this weekend.
>
> >   Now if you want to argue about the semantics of it- that it
> > doesn't specifically say "your rulebook", then I would argue I don't
> > need "my" SCCA membership card either, I can just use anybody's.
>
> 4.2.B. Drivers in Divisional events must be...  SCCA members.  A card
> is not the requirement, it is the means of meeting the requirement.  In
> fact, the National office just recently was faxing some alternate means
> of demonstrating membership because they were having card printing
> problems.
>
> > Look, I think the idea is for everyone to have a rulebook.  And maybe
> > it's just as well if a group of friends share one, but the idea is for
> > everyone to have one.
>
> I agree.  But ideas aren't rules.  When you start saying the rule book
> you show at registration is "supposed" to be yours, or Don reports an
> arcane requirement that a name be written on it, a very definite line
> of confusion has been crossed.  It's not an imaginary line, either.  If
> you're trying to get ready to run Sat. morning after a late arrival,
> and someone bounces you out of the registration line because the
> rulebook isn't "yours", you'll see what I mean.
>
> >   I just meant to say that it's a good idea to have
> > one, but if you don't have one now don't freak out about it.  You can
> > either buy one there or in the worst case borrow one for registration.
> > No need to get all pissy with me Kevin :p
>
> I won't get pissy if you don't get all judgemental, m'kay?  ;)  "Worst
> case", there you go again.  But hey, if I didn't agree about having a
> rulebook I wouldn't be in a position to be so nitpicky about it, right?
>   ;)
>
> KeS






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