The red grease pencil markings were hard to see; maybe the cones weren't all
put back where they were supposed to be?
BTW, I have no fight to pick, just curious as to how it all happened.
--Pat K
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>From: "Lolita Adrien" <lomike@earthlink.net>
>To: "Pat Kelly" <lollipop487@attbi.com>, "James Creasy" <james@thevenom.net>,
<smokerbros@aol.com>, <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: Atwater some more
>Date: Mon, May 12, 2003, 9:09 PM
>
> There are some really interesting dynamics that take place about the end of
> set-up. Not just at the Tour but on lots of mornings. In theory someone
> designs the course, a bunch of people help rough out the cones and the
> designer finishes/ fine tunes it, safety inspects it and then it gets
> marked and lined. In practice there are people who feel it is within their
> purview to walk course late in the process and "adjust" almost any aspect
> of courses even after it has been approved for safety. I personally suspect
> that this happened on Sat. morning at the Tour as Bryan, Chris and I walked
> and discussed that section together. At the run group three walk the course
> was clearly less restricted than it had been Friday night and earlier in the
> morning BUT the cones were placed within grease pencil markings. Exactly
> when it changed I can not say. That it was changed I can attest to.I think
> we might have all driven the same course, but some folks may have had a
> better idea what to expect on their first pass.
> MJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pat Kelly" <lollipop487@attbi.com>
> To: "James Creasy" <james@thevenom.net>; <smokerbros@aol.com>;
> <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 20:22 PM
> Subject: Re: Atwater some more
>
>
>> Thanks, I thought I was going slightly balmy (no comments, please!) I do
>> know Sunday's course had much more going on (things to do) on that leg in
>> the reverse direction, especially back in that far corner.
>> So I guess we didn't all drive the same course?
>> --Pat K
>>
>> ----------
>> >From: "James Creasy" <james@thevenom.net>
>> >To: "Pat Kelly" <lollipop487@attbi.com>, <Smokerbros@aol.com>,
>> <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
>> >Subject: Re: Atwater some more
>> >Date: Mon, May 12, 2003, 8:13 PM
>> >
>>
>> >>Is it my imagination, or did the first leg get straightened
>> >> somewhat during the morning rain?
>> >
>> > i believe thats what andy was saying. one of the cones in the Ess after
> the
>> > starting straight got moved to make it much faster than it was in the
> first
>> > groups. there was no way what i walked and what i drove were the same
>> > course there.
>> >
>> > james
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Pat Kelly" <lollipop487@attbi.com>
>> > To: <Smokerbros@aol.com>; <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 7:56 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Atwater some more
>> >
>> >
>> >> Just curious about Saturday's course. Unfortunately, I only had time to
>> > walk
>> >> it once. Is it my imagination, or did the first leg get straightened
>> >> somewhat during the morning rain?
>> >> --Pat Kelly
>> >>
>> >> ----------
>> >> >From: Smokerbros@aol.com
>> >> >To: ba-autox@autox.team.net
>> >> >Subject: Re: Atwater some more
>> >> >Date: Mon, May 12, 2003, 7:50 PM
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> > In a message dated 5/12/03 3:51:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>> > PHT1@pge.com
>> >> > writes:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> Anyway there's a long pro/con discussion of there being a
> "Certificate
>> > in
>> >> >> Course Design" which considers some of these issues in more depth.
> It
>> > WAS
>> >> >> the fastest I have gone on an auto-x course as I mentioned, so
> exceeded
>> >> >> slightly the guidelines mentioned in the Pylon articles. There was
> a
>> > ton
>> >> >> of run-off room though.
>> >> >
>> >> > First, there will be no "Course designer certification." This adds
>> >> > complication to the process of putting on events.
>> >> >
>> >> > Second, Tour course designer Frank Stagnaro would have already been
>> >> > certified, and his course was passed by the National Office.
>> >> >
>> >> > Charlie
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