I must have been fooled by the stiff sidewalls. Even though the rubber
was heat cycled to death, the stiff sidewalls continue to make the tires
respond quickly even though they don't grip as well as they once did.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: james creasy [mailto:Black94PGT@pacbell.net]
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 16:07
> To: Michael R. Clements; jake@codeworm.com; ba-autox@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: Benefits of various tire sizes on my del Slo..
>
>
> they eventually lose it too. but it takes a lot longer- the
> rubber is formulated to have more consistent life over a
> longer time. its harder to start with, and presumably it
> hardens less (much less) with each heat cycle.
>
> -james c
> OSP - Omigod, Snake Power!
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael R. Clements" <mrclem@telocity.com>
> To: "'james creasy'" <Black94PGT@pacbell.net>;
> <jake@codeworm.com>; <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 4:02 PM
> Subject: RE: Benefits of various tire sizes on my del Slo..
>
>
> > That could explain why I'm not getting any traction. . .
> >
> > My sucky G-Forces are over a year old. My light car with big tires
> > heat cycles them to death before the rubber scrapes off.
> >
> > I'm glad I asked!
> >
> > But if that's true, then how do the street tires maintain their
> > sticktion year after year, hundreds of heat cycles? Or do they also
> > lose it?
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: james creasy [mailto:Black94PGT@pacbell.net]
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 15:52
> > > To: Michael R. Clements; jake@codeworm.com;
> ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > > Subject: Re: Benefits of various tire sizes on my del Slo..
> > >
> > >
> > > > It's true that R tires age rapidly. However, don't you
> > > think that old,
> > > > hard, crappy R tires usually still outperform good,
> fresh street
> > > > tires?
> > >
> > > not in my case. once my tires hit about 100 runs, i have
> MUCH less
> > > traction than with my 400 treadwear other tires.
> > >
> > > borden recorded 1.47 G's on good hooisers, 1.2 G's on RE71 street
> > > tires and 1.1 G's on hooisers with 60+ runs on them.
> > >
> > > then again, ive got a light car with big tires, so they
> heat cycle
> > > to hardness before the rubber wears out.
> > >
> > > YMMV,
> > >
> > > -james c
> > > OSP - Only Sideways Piloting
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Michael R. Clements" <mrclem@telocity.com>
> > > To: "'james creasy'" <Black94PGT@pacbell.net>;
> <jake@codeworm.com>;
> > > <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 3:31 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Benefits of various tire sizes on my del Slo..
> > >
> > >
> > > > It's true that R tires age rapidly. However, don't you
> > > think that old,
> > > > hard, crappy R tires usually still outperform good,
> fresh street
> > > > tires? I think they do, but that is just based on the _feel_ of
> > > > the tires. Maybe they feel faster because of the stiff
> > > sidewalls and quick
> > > > response, even if the overall traction is not as good?
> What do you
> > > > think?
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > > > > [mailto:owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
> james creasy
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 11:04
> > > > > To: jake@codeworm.com; ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > > > > Subject: Re: Benefits of various tire sizes on my del Slo..
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > r-compound tires dont age well. age will harden them (6
> > > months or
> > > > > more) and they have a limited number of heat cycles of
> > > > > stickiness even if there is rubber left. so used
> ones should be
> > > pretty cheap-
> > > > > they give their best performance when they are young
> and fresh
> > > > > (unlike race drivers :))
> > > > >
> > > > > wider tires are also heavier. but usually most will
> chose the
> > > > > widest that will fit.
> > > > >
> > > > > i am finally going to try some wider tires on the front
> > > on my car to
> > > > > get it to turn better, and because i cant get even my 245
> > > (on a 9"
> > > > > rim) rim hot enough to matter. i think my competition uses a
> > > > > 205 size tire on a 10 inch rim! they drive on warm tires.
> > > > >
> > > > > -james c
> > > > > OSP - Often Spinning, Perhaps
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: <jake@codeworm.com>
> > > > > To: <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 10:52 AM
> > > > > Subject: Benefits of various tire sizes on my del Slo..
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > So, I've got 14x5.5 wheels, and I'm considering the
> > > various Kumhos
> > > > > > that will fit them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I understand that a smaller diameter tire is
> advantageous in
> > > > > > terms of gearing, and I suspect a wider tire is
> good because
> > > > > > more rubber is on the road. But I
> > > remember skimming
> > > > > > a thread recently that mentioned you might NOT get
> > > > > that extra
> > > > > > tread to the road if the wheel is too narrow. Are
> > > there bad side
> > > > > > effects of this?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Another factor: Given that my car has no camber adjustment
> > > > > > and I'm hard on the outside tread blocks up front, is it
> > > > > > better or worse to have wider tires?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the Ecsta, I could mount 225/50-14, 185/55-14, or
> > > > > > 195/55-14.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.kumhousa.com/pages/pcr/ev700stats.htm
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the Victoracer, I could mount 205/55-14 or 185/60-14
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.kumhousa.com/pages/pcr/vv700stats.htm
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What does a wider tire to for me, versus a narrower
> one? If
> > > > > > the narrower one is better, how much cheaper does a
> slightly
> > > > > > used set of 205/55-14 Victoracers have to be to offset the
> > > > > > lower performance. :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Finally, any data on which model is better for autocross?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jake Hodges
> > > > > > Honda del Slo
> > > > > > 35 HS
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