Can we kill this thread, please? You're wearing out my delete key.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Mouton" <jerry@moutons.org>
To: "Bay_Area_Autocross_List" <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: Preregistration and computerized timing/scoring
> Chris,
>
> Well, go to it! If a team of people can demonstrate
> a working, easy to use, fail-resistant system that
> has significant improvements over the current system,
> or even one with no immediate downside and some
> visible future gain, we'd jump on it.
>
> I'd be amazed, since I have implemented two such systems --
> one for AYSO soccer, one for Little League. We
> didn't find it to be trivial, and significant investment
> in equipment and personal time was required. These
> systems were successful, and were used for at least the
> several years that I was in charge of that area.
>
> Take over, go forward. Set up a group who already have
> laptops, make a plan, develop the system. I'd even contribute
> all my perl scripts for results. I would even help if a real
> project were under development, with appreciable advantages.
> Should be minimal up front costs for a barcode reader, just
> to demonstrate operational characteristics. Heck, I'd contribute
> the barcode reader to a serious group with a feasible plan.
>
> Give us progress reports.
>
> Jerry
>
> Jerry Mouton mailto:jerry@moutons.org Laissez les bons temps
> rouler!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Warner" <jabrwoky@pacbell.net>
> To: "Bay_Area_Autocross_List" <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 10:02 AM
> Subject: RE: Preregistration and computerized timing/scoring
>
>
> > A poor choice of words on my part.
> >
> > I am refering to peoples resistance to change. "If it ain't broke don't
> fix
> > it" attitude. I see it all the time in my line of work. People get so
> used
> > to a certain methodology or process, that they fail to see the potential
> to
> > optimize the process.
> >
> > as for the web development, that's a small part of what do
professionally.
> > I was not attempting to trivialize the work needed to develop a good
> > website.
> >
> > Chris
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > > [mailto:owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Jerry Mouton
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 9:42 AM
> > > To: Bay_Area_Autocross_List
> > > Subject: Re: Preregistration and computerized timing/scoring
> > >
> > >
> > > Chris,
> > >
> > > The programs to do the web results were not technically
> > > difficult, but they did take about 300 hours of my time
> > > to develop over two years. Trivial, no.
> > >
> > > Politics didn't even come into it, I just had a better idea
> > > and went out and did it. Nobody complained or stood
> > > in the way, because I didn't tell them about it until I was
> > > ready to show it. If I did tell them, they would have been
> > > continuously bugging me to get it finished faster, and to
> > > change it to be like they envisioned it.
> > >
> > > Please, tell us more about this political roadblocks that
> > > have stood in your way...
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > >
> > > Jerry Mouton mailto:jerry@moutons.org Laissez les bons temps
> > > rouler!
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Chris Warner" <jabrwoky@pacbell.net>
> > > To: "John F. Kelly Jr." <76067.1750@compuserve.com>;
> > > "Bay_Area_Autocross_List" <ba-autox@autox.team.net>; "Mark J. Andy"
> > > <marka@telerama.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 8:41 AM
> > > Subject: RE: Preregistration and computerized timing/scoring
> > >
> > >
> > > > The only challenge that prevents us geeks from implementing an
> automated
> > > > system is not technical, but political. Building the
infrastructure,
> > > coding
> > > > the software, and deploying the system live. It's so technically
easy
> > > it's
> > > > almost trivial. The hard part is getting people to accept it
> > > and use it.
> > > I
> > > > am a programmer, not a politician. That's why us geeks have failed
so
> > > far.
> > > > We don't do politics.
> > > >
> > > > I bet 20 years ago people were saying it would be impossible to
> > > report the
> > > > results in 2 days electronically.
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > > > [mailto:owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of John F. Kelly Jr.
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 8:20 AM
> > > > To: Bay_Area_Autocross_List; Mark J. Andy
> > > > Subject: Re: Preregistration and computerized timing/scoring
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -------------------- Begin Original Message --------------------
> > > >
> > > > Message text written by "Mark J. Andy"
> > > >
> > > > "Given where you guys run, I find it pretty hard to believe that you
> > > > wouldn't have geeks jump all over each other for the easy work
> > > assignment
> > > > :-)"
> > > > -------------------- End Original Message --------------------
> > > >
> > > > The "geeks" have ALL thrown up their hands. That's going back over
10
> > > > years.
> > > >
> > > > Our present "old fashioned" system does one important thing. It
works.
> > > >
> > > > --John Kelly
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