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Re: 3/25 Course Design: Best ever?

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Subject: Re: 3/25 Course Design: Best ever?
From: "Boris Elpiner" <boriselp@altavista.net>
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 19:35:51 -0800
John, I was just rattling your cage:-) I know how sensitive you're about the 
line issue. :-)

Yes, there is nothing in the book, but for one reason or another  National 
courses are lined outside. I don't care one way or another (maybe I should, I 
cone more at the big events), but this is the fact. I thought I'll point it out 
mainly to see how quickly John will take the bait:-)

Boris (now in trouble with Kelly's:-))



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> Message text written by "Boris Elpiner"
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> " And to make it a National level course the lines have to be outside of
> cones. (Hi John:-))))"
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: John Kelly <76067.1750@compuserve.com>
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> 
> There's NOTHING in the National rules or previous Supps which spells out
> the exact location of the lines. Having seen National courses lined on the
> inboard side and the outboard side in the past, I'd say you have to be
> ready for whatever happens. 
>         As for lines outboard, I still vividly remember when one designer
> put his lines four or five FEET outboard of the course on a right-hands
> turn. That single pylon there looked for all the world like a lost child.
> The reason for this was the designer was so pooped after setting up the
> course,  he sat on the back of a pickup and trailed the marker device. The
> turn was tighter than the pickup truck could make. So they just let it fall
> whereever it went. 
>         We have come a long way in National course design despite some
> folks wanting to re-invent gymkhanas. Despite that, there was a glitch on
> last year's North course that was a trap for a beginner and he flipped.
> That part was a fast section followed by a three-cone slalom. And there was
> a bump at the third one. He flipped his E Stocker on the third one. Don't
> look for this on the map as the course was changed to solve another problem
> and we got the flipper deal instead. The good news is the driver was
> uninjured.
>         Just because National does something does not make it right, IMHO.
> But then I remember when the wobble rule for pylons was once in effect in
> other parts of the country. (If you THINK you saw the pylon wiggle, you
> send in a pylon count! The good news is we now have the all the way down or
> out rule now but it took a long time to convince our friends this was the
> way to go.) Gradually, our National courses have been improving, a lot,
> especially since the beginning. And even in the past 15 years.
> 
> --John Kelly
> 


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