At the Monday town meeting, Loren Pearson threw out the number that to build
our purpose-built site using trace-track quality asphalt (for durability
under load) would cost in excess of $7 mil. I am quite confident that
envisions TWO course areas plus a paddock. Three course areas would probably
bump that $2-3 mil more.
And BTW, he said concrete would cost about three times as much.
--Rocky
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wilson, Lindsay" <lindsay.wilson@intel.com>
To: "Rush" <jdrush@enter.net>; <autox@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 4:16 PM
Subject: RE: 4 runs at Nationals
> Now that, is thinking out of the box! :)
> IMO, it COULD be done provided the new site has room for 3 courses.
>
> (Yea, so you can't figure an index, they're subjective anyway.) :)
>
> Lindsay
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rush [mailto:jdrush@enter.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 3:00 PM
> To: autox@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: 4 runs at Nationals
>
> What about making the new lot big enough to hold three courses
> simultaneously?
>
> Jon Rush
>
> Rocky Entriken wrote:
> >
> > Actually, 6 days may be in the future if the event keeps growing as it
> has.
> > but it won't be at a 1200 car count. Maybe at a 1500 car count. For one
> > thing, to supply the extra stewards, chiefs, captains, etc., and even
cone
> > chasers, you need the extra entrants. And if I were to guess:
> > Tuesday-Sunday. 6 day may become the solution at a time when we are
> turning
> > away significant numbers of entrants after we hit the 1250 entry cap.
> >
> > Of course, we also just proved we can run a 400-car event in a day. It
was
> > ugly, but we got it done and with remarkable and laudable efficiency.
Not
> > what we want to do every year, but it lets us know we might be able to
> edge
> > a little beyond a "normal" 300-car event per course per day so that 1250
> cap
> > might rise to 1300 or 1400 in future years. But if I were to guess, not
> > until we have hit 1250 a time or two and brought off successful events.
> >
> > --Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <jac73@daimlerchrysler.com>
> > To: <jeff@winchell.com>
> > Cc: <autox@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 3:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: 4 runs at Nationals
> >
> > > On Wed, 19 September 2001, Jeff Winchell said:
> > >
> > > >On Wed, 19 September 2001, jac73@daimlerchrysler.com wrote:
> > >
> > > >>you're looking at some VERY long days trying to do 4 runs for 1200
> > > >>people (figure 300 cars per course per day). I don't think that's a
> > > >>realistic call at our nice, high Nationals entry levels.
> > >
> > > >How about running 6 days?
> > >
> > > I take it you're talking running Monday to Saturday. Okay, let's
ponder
> > > this one. Yes, it drops the cars per course per day count to
> effectively
> > > 200 cars per day. 200 cars x 4 runs x 20 seconds interval = about 4.5
> > > hours. Certainly reasonable on the face of it. Figure 6-7 hours with
> > > downtime, reruns, etc. Three runs is even nicer in that respect.
> > >
> > > However... It adds one banquet (Tues, Thurs, Sat vs. Wed, Fri), which
> is,
> > > as they say in the brake shop commercials, "substantial additional
cost"
> > > for someone, be it SCCA, the MTAA, the TCVB, and/or the entrants.
Said
> > > banquet also eliminates the only "free to graze" night of the week,
> which
> > > would be somewhat discouraging to the local restaurants who offered
> > > discounts, coupons, etc. for competitors and also underwrite the
Topeka
> > > Convention & Visitors Bureau. Keeping the locals fat and happy
> > > economically during our week there is probably the biggest reason we
> have
> > > the support from Topeka that we do.
> > >
> > > Running 6 days instead of 4 requires 4-6 additional Operating
Stewards,
> > > Chiefs of Course, Timing & Scoring Captains, 8-10 additional Safety
> > > Stewards, 4-8 additional Announcers. It requires an additional day of
> > site
> > > usage as we'd need to stay on the Forbes site on the following Sunday
> for
> > > course teardown and equipment & facilities removal (Port-a-johns,
> > > dumpsters, tents, bleachers, barrels & signs), which is hard to get,
> even
> > > in years that don't involve sudden increases in airport and military
> base
> > > security levels. In past years, people leaving trailers on the site
> > Friday
> > > night were instructed that they had to be gone by 0800 Saturday
morning.
> > >
> > > And we lose the Monday arrive/get settled/get registered/get
teched/walk
> > > courses day. Remember that both courses would need to be available
for
> > > walking at the same time. With the South Course area in use by the
> > ProSolo
> > > finale on Saturday and Sunday, even if we eliminated one day of the
> Kansas
> > > Region warm-up event on the North Course area, we wouldn't be able to
> open
> > > it for walking until the South Course was also available anyway, so
> Kansas
> > > Region might as well run the warmup both days on the weekend.
> > >
> > > While it's *possible* to do this, I don't think it's ultimately
> advisable
> > > as it's awfully hard on the organizers and chiefs -- you've
essentially
> > > added 50% to their existing workload. Remember that these folks are
> also
> > > competitors, and they deserve a shot at driving at Nationals with
their
> > > heads in reasonable shape. *I* can't drive well when my head's
> elsewhere
> > > or I'm fatigued out of my skull, and I firmly think I'm fairly normal
in
> > > that respect.
> > >
> > > Jim Crider
> > > autojim@att.net
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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