>>How can you say we're about competition and that Ladies classes make sense
in the same message?
We're about competition within classes. AS & ASL, in my mind are as
different as AS & AP. Different class, runs at a different time. We're
judged by how our times compare to those in our class, not against some
magical perfect run, or against some other class. Why is it different
between open and ladies class?
DaveW
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark J. Andy" <marka@telerama.com>
To: "autox mailing list" <autox@autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 11:59 AM
Subject: RE: Ladies Classes
> Howdy,
>
> On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Bruce Haden wrote:
> > These differences make pure head-to-head competition in some classes
> > nearly impossible; imagine the average 130 lb female trying to be
> > competetive
> > in a CP Mustang or something similar with manual steering and 12" tires
and
> > you'll know what I mean.
>
> Susan Delzel seems to do pretty well in a CP Mustang. Wanna try again?
>
> Come up with a physical difference that applies to a woman driving a car
> that doesn't apply to a 130 lb. man. Don't give me some bullshit "men are
> aggressive and women aren't" thing either. True or not, aggressiveness
> isn't exactly a big help at an autox.
>
> > 2nd Why are so many MEN worried so much about this. I don't
> > think the women in the "L" classes feel demeaned by virtue of being in
> > "L".
>
> It pisses me off in large part because the Ladies classes are a nice
> feeder class that men don't have. It pisses me off on a theoretical level
> because there's no objective reason whatsoever for there to be two
> classes. It pisses me off that the same people who constantly bitch and
> moan about there being too many classes and that we should kill
> undersubscribed classes have a complete blind spot for ladies classes that
> have never had more than 5 competitors at any event in history. It pisses
> me off that when anyone says anything even _remotely_ negative about this
> sacred cow that reason is thrown out the window and they get their chewed
> up ass handed to 'em in a bag.
>
> I don't really wanna change my sex, but I suspect I'd still have those
> opinions if I did. I know for sure that when I tell female friends about
> autox and get to the Ladies classes, the _unanimous_ reaction is "What?
> Why?"
>
> >
> > 3rd This sport is supposed to be FUN! FUN; remember that concept!?
> > I don't mean fun as in "everyone gets a trophy" We are also about
> > cometition.
>
> How can you say we're about competition and that Ladies classes make sense
> in the same message?
>
> > I have fun even when I don't win. People who don't have that attitude
about
> > what we do need to move on to something else. Solo2 is, by nature, fun.
It's
> > also very family oriented compared to ANY OTHER motorsport and it is
> > purely amateur in nature (Pro-solo really isn't "PRO"; if it was, you
could
> > make
> > a living at it, and you can't). We are here to have a good time and I
think
> > the present struture allows that. WHY do some people spend an inordinate
> > amount of time finding things to get their blood pressure up? I see some
> > thinly veiled anger in some of the discussion on this topic and I just
don't
> > get it.
>
> Please. How is my response to your post any different than your response?
>
> I have fun when I autox. In most ways Ladies classes don't matter a whit
> to me and I'll continue to have fun whether they exist or not. But that
> doesn't mean I don't have an opinion I'm willing to express.
>
> > 4th semi-related...Someone mentioned novices at Nationals.
> > The concept is an oxymoron and doesn't make sense. If you are at the
Nats,
> > you should, by definition, not be a novice anymore.
>
> But those Ladies classes sure make sense there.
>
> Whatever.
>
> Mark
>
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