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RE: Aluminum Seats

To: "'Jan Schmidt'" <jschmidt@kumc.edu>, "'team.net'"
Subject: RE: Aluminum Seats
From: Larry Joffe <spdrcr5@bigfoot.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 21:24:53 -0500
Yes, typo . . .a NASCAR race car in Winston Cup is 3,400.

Larry

--> -----Original Message-----
--> From: Jan Schmidt [mailto:jschmidt@kumc.edu]
--> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 7:58 PM
--> To: spdrcr5@bigfoot.com; 'team.net'
--> Subject: RE: Aluminum Seats
--> 
--> 
--> Just nit-pickin' here: surely you dont mean "2400" 
--> lbs.??????????????? I
--> think its closer to 3300  or 3400, isnt it?
--> Bill Schmidt ( not really a Nascar fan )
--> 
--> >>> Larry Joffe <spdrcr5@bigfoot.com> 02/25/01 12:32PM >>>
--> Paul:
--> 
--> I have to disagree with you 100%!  The carbon fiber racing 
--> seats will
--> NOT
--> shatter as you think.    It takes the impact and absorbs it, it
--> deflects the
--> impact around the driver and does not allow the impact to 
--> concentrate
--> on any
--> one area, it spreads it out.
--> 
--> Carbon fiber is one of the strongest materials made, why do 
--> you think
--> it
--> would shatter?  It is a woven fabric, how is it going to shatter?
--> 
--> The reason(s) NASCAR won't allow it into their cars is 
--> pretty simple.
--> NASCAR wants to cars to remain behind the times with both 
--> chassis and
--> engine
--> and safety technology.  They want to remain "the good 'ole boys" of
--> old.
--> They like that rough and tumble image that is portrayed by 
--> the media. 
--> They
--> don't want the clean cut image of F1 and CART.  Those 
--> series are both
--> referred to as "circus's", something that NASCAR does not want to
--> associate
--> with.
--> 
--> The banning of carbon fiber seats has nothing to do with 
--> costs.  It is
--> strictly NASCAR steering clear of new technology.  Any time someone
--> tries
--> something new, it gets turned down and has always been turned down. 
--> Others
--> have already pointed out too many times when NASCAR refuses 
--> to get with
--> the
--> times when it comes to safety.
--> 
--> In a crash if a piece of front suspension is directed towards the
--> cockpit of
--> an F1 or CART car, what sort of seat would you rather be sitting in?
--> Aluminum or Carbon Fiber?  Me?  Carbon Fiber!  A carbon fiber
--> suspension
--> part will most certainly go right through an aluminum seat like
--> cutting
--> through butter.  If aluminum is so much stronger than 
--> Carbon Fiber then
--> why
--> are the suspension pieces made from carbon fiber in F1?  
--> Because it is
--> that
--> much stronger than aluminum or any other material that 
--> could be used. 
--> I am
--> not saying that NASCAR should switch to exotic materials, 
--> that is not
--> what
--> the series is about.  They should allow a driver to use ANY safety
--> device
--> they feel is warranted for their own well being.  It will not create
--> an
--> unfair advantage over the rest of the field.  All of the cars MUST
--> weigh
--> 2,400 pounds, so they would have to add an extra pound or 
--> two to make
--> weight
--> anyway.  Who is it hurting by Scott Pruett wanting to use a Carbon
--> Fiber
--> seat?  It is actually hurting NASCAR's own head in the sand 
--> image that
--> they
--> have the safest cars in all of racing!
--> 
--> Larry Joffe
--> 
--> 
--> --> I don't think they prohibit carbon fiber race seats due to
--> --> cost. I think
--> --> they prohibit them because a heck of a lot of drivers got hurt
--> with
--> --> fiberglass seats before the aluminum seats appeared. I
--> --> personally think that
--> --> metal is a better substance to make a seat from than either
--> --> fiberglass or
--> --> carbon fiber because it won't shatter. Besides, I think the
--> --> primary reason
--> --> they make seats from the latter two materials is due to
--> --> weight not that they
--> --> are safer than other materials. So in this particular
--> --> regard I believe
--> --> NASCAR is actually doing the "right thing".
--> -->
--> --> Paul Foster
--> -->
--> 

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