Just to clarify a little, - yes, we put Penskes on our
96 Vette- and they do help a ton. They are SINGLE
adjustables, they aren't mega-dollar in the scheme of
things (DA Konis are mo' money) although they certainly
ain't cheap either. I also added a bigger front bar and
that seems to be a net benefit on the car. I did not feel
the bigger bar would've worked when I had Konis on
the car although I never tried it.
And I agree with Jason, the C4 Vettes aren't at parity
with the RX7s and I doubt they will be even with gwhiz
shocks. Of course, the shocks will help and on some
courses, if the planets align, you never know......
Kent Rafferty
> Where are you guys getting this idea that high dollar shocks are
> bringing the vettes up to speed? As far as I know the only person that
even
> has double adjustable shocks on a SS vette is Kent Rafferty and he is
> running SM. I don't believe that any of the vettes that got trophies at
> Natls last year had anything other than single Koni's, that includes the
89'
> that Gary T drove to the P3 prosolo championship.
> I did just have my Koni's rebuilt, they were about 8 years old, they
> are still singles. I would not want to see the shock allowance go away,
> however if we limit people to doubles you do help limit the cost.
> I know almost none of the SS vette guys are using the swaybar
> allowance. However most of the SS RX7s do change, maybe taking that away
> would bring the RX7 back down to the vette level?
>
> Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley
> jason.isley@alltel.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com [mailto:dg50@daimlerchrysler.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 6:22 AM
> To: autox@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: The Classing Picture As A Whole
>
>
> Scott Meyers <solo2@uswest.net> wrote:
>
> > No I wasn't - but *AM* looking for a way to outlaw $4000 worth of shocks
> on
> > a "Stock" car :-) I am open to other alternatives that are *factory
> > equivalent* in fact.
>
> You can't do it. Oh sure, you can outlaw the high-dollar shocks, but you
> can't outlaw the money being spent. Take away the ability to use
> aftermarket shocks, and you'll get people buying dozens of stock shocks,
> dynoing them all, and running the 4 best - for the same net cost - and
> punishing the people who don't have that kind of time.
>
> And besides, someone who is spending $4000 on shocks is likely wasting
> their money. Typically, the money-spent-per-tenth-faster on a given part
> curve rises exponentially (or worse) so that a $4000 set of shocks are
> maybe a tenth or two faster than a set of $1000 shocks. And that assumes
> the driver is good enough to make full advantage of them.
>
> Daddio's shocks are _cheap_. There's no unobtanium in any of them - he's
> just done a ton of testing, he has them revalved to perfectly suit his
> driving style, and he's a hell of a driver to boot.
>
> > There will always be cheaters and those who push the rules to the
limit -
> > make that limit less expensive is all........
>
> You see, that's your problem - it doesn't. It makes Stock MORE expensive.
> In the worst case, you force people to swap cars, and the last time I
> checked, cars were more expensive than shocks.
>
> Consider SS, and the RX7 vs Corvette. The shock allowence brings the
'vette
> pretty well near parity with the RX7. Force stock shocks, and now the
> 'vettes start suffering. But there's no lower class out there that it's
> fair to bump the 'vettes into, so you either have to 1) Create a new
> Corvette class or 2) Abandon the 'vettes to their fate - in which case a
> Corvette owner has to spend $20,000+ for a new, competitive car.
>
> That's insane - and ignores completely the (lack of) wisdom in rendering
> the "Great American Sports Car" (of which there are tens of thousands
> available) uncompetitive through an administrative rule.
>
> > The sky doesn't have to fall on me ;-) to let me know that no
matter
> > how good I may be that if I intend to prosper in this sport (in Stock
> class,
> > i.e. "The Beginning") I will l have to spend $$$$$$$$$$$ to be
> competitive.
>
> Utter, complete crap. When I ran Stock class, my car trophied at National
> events in my hands twice, won two National Tours, a half-dozen ProSolos,
> the Ladies' Challenge overall, and a high trophy at Nationals (in my
> co-driver's hands) with a drop-in K&N filter, a set of race tires, and a
> cat-back exhaust. Stock wheels, stock shocks, stock pretty well
everything.
>
> If you intend to prosper, you need to DRIVE WELL. If you're being beaten,
> you're not being outspent, you're being OUTDRIVEN.
>
> DG
>
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