While I agree with fellow Team Butt Heat Bauer on the "classes change", I do
not agree that they change unless the SCAC/SEB decide for them to do so.
The classing case of the Type R in GS was not thought to have changed the
class. For what I have been told, for unknown reasons to me, the SCAC/SEB
still do not think the Type R is an over dog in GS. While I see the Talon
to be close or maybe as quick, the others don't stand a chance. Just look
at that data from this year.
---JCG
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Bauer <ronbauer@aa.net>
To: <BRUBEL51@aol.com>; <autox@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: Type R in GS
>
>
> >jason@intcs.com writes:
> >
> ><< good example is the Type-R... when it first came out, it went
straight
> to
> > CSP. I don't know the particulars of how it got moved to GS, but it
> doesn't
> > make sense. The car has stiffer springs/shocks and bigger
swaybars/brakes
> > than a stock GS-R, and they are in the same class? Huh? And the
All-wheel
> > drive turbo DSM cars in GS? 210 h.p. and all-wheel drive?
> >
> > I think all Celica's (no matter what the h.p. they all seem about as
> fast),
> > the Type-R and the Eclipse should be moved into DS (maybe AS for the
> > Eclipses) They are all way too fast for GS. That way GS could be
fought
> > out among similarly competitive cars... the Probe, MX-6, Camaro, GS-R,
VW
> > Corrado and Contour. All of these cars have very similar performance
> > potential, and GS was shaping up to be a very competitive and
interesting
> > class... instead of another spec SCCA shootout class between $26k cars
> > since the Type-R and Eclipse have gone in. >>
> >
> >As I have written in the past, why take a well balanced competitive
class
> >like G-Stock and transform it into a Spec class, apparently the SCCA had
> no
> >other place to put the Type R so why not let it dominate a much slower
> class.
> > How does a Type R compare to a MX6 or a V6 Camaro or a Probe... If the
> >people on the solo committee that made this decison can substantiate why
> this
> >car remains in GS I think we would really like to hear it...
> >Bruce Bellom
>
>
> I no longer have a dog in this fight, but feel compelled to make a point
> here.
>
> As time goes by, classes change. That's just the way it goes. The DSM's
> have been in GS for quite some time and it just so happened that no one
> competitive tried one until last year. At the time, there was a good
> competition going on between the MX6's, Camaro's, etc. Joe and I were
> driving the Audi A4 in the class also that year and were doing quite well.
> I didn't like the fact that the Type R got classed into GS so close to
> Nationals, but that was what happened. That is old business now.
>
> Let's fast forward to this year. True, the "old" GS cars have not been
> competitive against the Type Rs and DSMs. However, I believe that the
DSM's
> were competitive against the Type Rs and made a good battle. I heard just
> as much as everyone else how the Type R was such an overdog, BUT....
>
> How about this argument.....Take a look at the top five places in most
> of the classes at Nationals this year. Take the difference in time
between
> 1st and 5th and write this figure down. Now do the same thing in GS. How
> different is it? While the top three of us in the class were all within
> less than 2/10ths of a second and all happened to be in Type Rs, it
doesn't
> mean that the car is misclassed.
>
> So, my point is that GS has changed. A number of you may not like it, I
can
> understand that, but it has changed and is a competitive class. I
> especially have a problem with the argument that because the Type R is so
> much better than the GSR that the Type R is the misclassed car. The GSR
> wasn't very competitive in GS before the Type R was placed there!
>
> Ron Bauer
> Team Butt Heat
> Y2K S2K for the Y2K season
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