ok, sounds good.... But what do you do with the 88-91 Civic Si?
the 91 has 108 hp but still runs ES with the 99 which has 165 hp.
Meanwhile the 125 hp 93 EX has been move to HS. So, where do I belong?
Heyward Wagner
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On Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:06:25 -0600 "Jason Saini" <jason@intcs.com> writes:
>Jim (Popsracr@aol.com) wrote:
>>The fast ES car for now looks to be the latest iteration of the
>Celica GT.
>>It's as light as an ST but has 140 hp, variable valve timing and less
>>overhang. Some have seen it in action (Per's) and it's going to be
>the
>>latest to set the trend in spec car classes. Once shocks come out
>and with
>a
>>little more development, it'll be so fast that it'll run DS times.
>
>Great just what we need... another car running DS times. It seems
>like ES,
>GS and HS all run DS times. And sometimes they all run CS times! I
>remember
>when there used to be a difference in speed from DS through HS. If
>all the
>cars are running the same speed, then why aren't they all in the same
>class?
>
>Good example is the Type-R... when it first came out, it went
>straight to
>CSP. I don't know the particulars of how it got moved to GS, but it
>doesn't
>make sense. The car has stiffer springs/shocks and bigger
>swaybars/brakes
>than a stock GS-R, and they are in the same class? Huh? And the
>All-wheel
>drive turbo DSM cars in GS? 210 h.p. and all-wheel drive?
>
>I think all Celica's (no matter what the h.p. they all seem about as
>fast),
>the Type-R and the Eclipse should be moved into DS (maybe AS for the
>Eclipses) They are all way too fast for GS. That way GS could be
>fought
>out among similarly competitive cars... the Probe, MX-6, Camaro, GS-R,
>VW
>Corrado and Contour. All of these cars have very similar performance
>potential, and GS was shaping up to be a very competitive and
>interesting
>class... instead of another spec SCCA shootout class between $26k
>cars
>since the Type-R and Eclipse have gone in.
>
>Think of it this way...
>
>DS --> Neon, Type-R, Celica (all but ST), Eclipse, SE-R, etc.
>ES --> Civic Si (new), Celica ST, MX-6 4-cyl, 16v VW's, etc.
>FS --> Unchanged
>GS --> Probe, MX-6, Camaro, GS-R, VW Corrado, Contour, etc.
>HS --> Civic HX, Civic 1500, Paseo, 8v VW's, New Beetle, etc.
>
>Now, doesn't that seem to make sense...? I have been watching the
>performance potential of these cars, and scouring results for
>comparative
>times, always making sure that there were good drivers in each car.
>After
>all my research, this is what makes sense to me.
>
>Unfortunately, the SCCA seems to be respond more to individual
>requests
>rather than taking a hard look at the past results and performance
>potential. At least it seems that way to me... anyone have a more
>intimate
>understanding of how cars are classed/re-classed that could enlighten
>me?
>Anyone have any input on why the classes seem really lopsided right
>now?
>
>-Jason Saini
>Chicago, IL
>
>
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