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Re: [6pack] Intermittent ground?

To: Steve Cates <scates1@mygrande.net>
Subject: Re: [6pack] Intermittent ground?
From: David Friedlander via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 09:34:20 -0400
Cc: John Cyganowski <janah@att.net>, 6-Pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
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Steve/all;

I have been wondering the same thing.... Which then led me to ask, is
dielectric grease better applied to *assembled *components or to the
*/all*components
which are then assembled? I'd like to believe that dielectric grease won't
block the flow of current or degrade the quality of a connection. Comments?

Dave



On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 9:22 AM, Steve Cates <scates1@mygrande.net> wrote:

> Will dielectric grease minimize the problem with oxidation on these
> contacts?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* John Cyganowski via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
> *To:* David Friedlander <forzion7@gmail.com> ; 6-Pack
> <6pack@autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:07 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [6pack] Intermittent ground?
>
> Dave-
>
> Glad it worked out.  I was losing those instruments and devices
> intermittently among other issues.
>
> Once I realized they were all on the same circuit, with some manipulation
> and they would come back only to go again.  So I replaced the fuse box.
> This resolved about 95% of the issues.
>
> Corrosion is maybe too strong a word - but oxidation will certainly occur
> over time and impact the contacts.
>
> Best of Luck-
> John
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* David Friedlander <forzion7@gmail.com>
> *To:* John Cyganowski <janah@att.net>; 6-Pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 17, 2016 4:22 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [6pack] Intermittent ground?
>
> Thanks, John. Your thought process on this is quite good. It turned out
> that the problem was solved this afternoon, by simply removing the fuse,
> lightly sanding its metal ends, then reinserting it into the fuse clips! I
> knew *something* was quite there when I measured zero volts on one end of
> the fuse and 12.65 on the other! Prior to that, the heater fan, the turn
> signals, the wipers, the brake lights and the two gauges didn't work. I
> re-inserted that fuse and it's like 20,000 volts into Frankenstein's
> monster. It LIVES! Being as the fuse box is relatively new, as are the
> fuses, it was hard to imagine (*or* *SEE*) *any *corrosion that could
> cause such chaos! All from one green circuit fuse! It's been a long tome
> since everything worked so having everything back at the same time is like
> having a party with old, long-lost friends! LOL!
>
> Special kudos to IM Sloane for helping me think through this latest
> 'adventure'....
>
> Thanks for responding,
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 3:56 PM, John Cyganowski <janah@att.net> wrote:
>
> <snip> I have been trying to track down the gremlin that's keeping my fuel
> and temp gauges from working. I'll start up the car and those two gauges
> don't function (the voltage and oil pressure gauges work fine). After maybe
> 15 or 20 minutes of
> driving, they'll suddenly kick on and stay on for the rest of the trip.
> Some trips, they
> don't come on at all. <snip>
>
> David-
>
> Those 2 gauges are on the same power circuit.  Have someone sit in the car
> while idling, monitoring the gauges.
>
> You push on (I think the top terminals of the fuse box (I think)  See what
> that does.  If your gauges come up, then I think you need to replace the
> fuse box (not too expensive or difficult (getting the 2 screws out is the
> hard part.)
>
> The TR6 fuse boxes were riveted together.  After 40 years of vibration and
> corrosion, they sometimes fail.
>
> Regards-
> John Cyg
> CC92527LO
> 70 Damson
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,153)">Steve/all;<br><br></div><div class=3D"=
gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,=
153)">I have been wondering the same thing.... Which then led me to ask, is=
 dielectric grease better applied to <i>assembled </i>components or to the =
<i>/all</i>components which are then assembled? I&#39;d like to believe tha=
t dielectric grease won&#39;t block the flow of current or degrade the qual=
ity of a connection. Comments?<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" st=
yle=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,153)">Dave<br><br=
><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 9:22 AM, Steve Cates <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:scates1@mygrande.net"; target=3D"_blank">scates1@mygrande.net</a>=
&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0=
 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>





<div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">
<div><font face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D"2">Will dielectric grease minimiz=
e the=20
problem with oxidation on these contacts?</font></div>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#000000 2px solid;PADDING-LEFT:5px;PADDING=
-RIGHT:0px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-RIGHT:0px"><div><div class=3D"h5">
  <div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
  <div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b>=20
  <a title=3D"6pack@autox.team.net" href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net"; ta=
rget=3D"_blank">John=20
  Cyganowski via 6pack</a> </div>
  <div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"forzion7@gmail.com"=
 href=3D"mailto:forzion7@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">David Friedlander</a>=
 ; <a title=3D"6pack@autox.team.net" href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net"; t=
arget=3D"_blank">6-Pack</a>=20
</div>
  <div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:0=
7=20
  AM</div>
  <div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [6pack] Intermittent=
=20
  ground?</div>
  <div><br></div>
  <div style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:#fff;FONT-FAMILY:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica N=
eue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;COLOR:#000;FONT-SIZE:16px">
  <div>Dave-</div>
  <div><br></div>
  <div>Glad it worked out.=C2=A0 I was=20
  losing those instruments and devices intermittently among other issues.</=
div>
  <div><br></div>
  <div>Once I realized they were all on=20
  the same circuit, with some manipulation and they would come back only to=
 go=20
  again.=C2=A0 So I replaced the fuse box.=C2=A0 This resolved about 95% of=
 the=20
  issues.</div>
  <div><br></div>
  <div>Corrosion is maybe too strong a=20
  word - but oxidation will certainly occur over time and impact the=20
  contacts.</div>
  <div><br></div>
  <div>Best of Luck-</div>
  <div>John<br></div>
  <div><span></span></div>
  <div><br><br></div>
  <div style=3D"DISPLAY:block">
  <div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lu=
cida Grande,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:16px">
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cida Grande,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:16px">
  <div dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">
  <hr size=3D"1">
  <b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT:bold">From:</span></b> David Friedlander=20
  &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:forzion7@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">forzion7@gmai=
l.com</a>&gt;<br><b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT:bold">To:</span></b> John Cy=
ganowski=20
  &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:janah@att.net"; target=3D"_blank">janah@att.net</a>&=
gt;; 6-Pack &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">6=
pack@autox.team.net</a>&gt; <br><b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Sent:</=
span></b> Wednesday, August 17, 2016 4:22=20
  PM<br><b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [6pack]=
=20
  Intermittent ground?<br></font></div>
  <div><br>
  <div>
  <div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr">
  <div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:comic sans ms,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(0,0,153)">Th=
anks, John. Your thought process on this is=20
  quite good. It turned out that the problem was solved this afternoon, by=
=20
  simply removing the fuse, lightly sanding its metal ends, then reinsertin=
g it=20
  into the fuse clips! I knew <i>something</i> was quite there when I measu=
red=20
  zero volts on one end of the fuse and 12.65 on the other! Prior to that, =
the=20
  heater fan, the turn signals, the wipers, the brake lights and the two ga=
uges=20
  didn&#39;t work. I re-inserted that fuse and it&#39;s like 20,000 volts i=
nto=20
  Frankenstein&#39;s monster. It LIVES! Being as the fuse box is relatively=
 new, as=20
  are the fuses, it was hard to imagine (<u>or</u> <u>SEE</u>) <b>any=20
  </b>corrosion that could cause such chaos! All from one green circuit fus=
e!=20
  It&#39;s been a long tome since everything worked so having everything ba=
ck at the=20
  same time is like having a party with old, long-lost friends! LOL!<br cle=
ar=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
  <div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:comic sans ms,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(0,0,153)">Sp=
ecial kudos to IM Sloane for helping me=20
  think through this latest &#39;adventure&#39;....<br clear=3D"none"></div=
>
  <div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:comic sans ms,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(0,0,153)"><b=
r clear=3D"none"></div>
  <div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:comic sans ms,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(0,0,153)">Th=
anks for responding,<br clear=3D"none"></div>
  <div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:comic sans ms,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(0,0,153)"><b=
r clear=3D"none"></div>
  <div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:comic sans ms,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(0,0,153)">Da=
ve<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div></div>
  <div>
  <div><br clear=3D"none">
  <div>On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 3:56 PM, John=20
  Cyganowski <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:janah@att.net"; shape=
=3D"rect" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">janah@att.net</a>&gt;</span> w=
rote:<br clear=3D"none">
  <blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;=
PADDING-LEFT:1ex">
    <div>
    <div style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:#fff;FONT-FAMILY:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica=
 Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;COLOR:#000;FONT-SIZE:16px">
    <div dir=3D"ltr">&lt;snip&gt; I have been trying to track down the grem=
lin=20
    that&#39;s keeping my fuel and temp gauges from working. I&#39;ll start=
 up the car=20
    and those two gauges don&#39;t function (the voltage and oil pressure g=
auges=20
    work fine). After maybe 15 or 20 minutes of<span><br clear=3D"none">dri=
ving, they&#39;ll suddenly kick on and stay on for the rest of the=20
    trip. Some trips, they<br clear=3D"none"></span>don&#39;t come on at al=
l.=20
    &lt;snip&gt;</div>
    <div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
    <div dir=3D"ltr">David-</div>
    <div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
    <div dir=3D"ltr">Those 2 gauges are on the same power circuit.=C2=A0 Ha=
ve=20
    someone sit in the car while idling, monitoring the gauges.</div>
    <div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
    <div dir=3D"ltr">You push on (I think the top terminals of the fuse box=
 (I=20
    think)=C2=A0 See what that does.=C2=A0 If your gauges come up, then I t=
hink=20
    you need to replace the fuse box (not too expensive or difficult (getti=
ng=20
    the 2 screws out is the hard part.)</div>
    <div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
    <div dir=3D"ltr">The TR6 fuse boxes were riveted together.=C2=A0 After =
40 years=20
    of vibration and corrosion, they sometimes fail.</div>
    <div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
    <div dir=3D"ltr">Regards-</div>
    <div dir=3D"ltr">John Cyg</div>
    <div dir=3D"ltr">CC92527LO</div>
    <div dir=3D"ltr">70 Damson<br clear=3D"none"></div></div></div></blockq=
uote></div><br clear=3D"none"></div></div></div></div><br><br></div></div><=
/div></div></div>
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