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RE: [6pack] Roll bar theory - How do you mount it??

To: "Navarrette, Vance" <vance.navarrette@intel.com>, "Joseph Grant"
Subject: RE: [6pack] Roll bar theory - How do you mount it??
From: emanteno@comcast.net
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:29:28 +0000
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From: "Navarrette, Vance" <vance.navarrette@intel.com> 

> Irv: 
> 
> I am ignorant on the topic of roll bars, preferring to drive "au 
> naturale" (conjures up a pretty disgusting visual, eh?). 
> Why would a weak roll bar make the car more dangerous? 

Vance,
I am not an engineer and I haven't stayed at a Holiday Inn Express, so my 
opinion is worth exactly what anyone has paid for it.
I formed this opinion from driving my street TR6 for many years with a street 
bar installed (it's coming out this weekend), and then racing a TR4 with a real 
roll structure. The street bar is bolted to the rear deck, and it has a small 
backing plate under the sheet metal for each bolt. In my opinion, there is no 
structural strength there to support the roll bar from ripping right out when 
you might need it the most. Under the right circumstances, the bar might not 
rip out during a roll over and provide extra protection, but to me, the side 
loads imparted on the bar as the car was going over would rip it right out. 
Once it rips out of the floor, it becomes a very large and very hard 
projectile, and it starts out right behind your head. To me, that's like 
sitting in a chair and then having someone walk up behind you and whack your 
head with a bat. THAT is what makes me feel that the street bar can actually be 
more dangerous than no bar. 
OTOH, a proper roll structure such as that in my TR4, which I have fortunately 
never put to the test, is anchored into the frame of the car in many places (7 
places on my TR4), is triangulated for strength, and is made from far stronger 
pipe than the street bars that I have seen.
Irv Korey
74 TR6 CF322767U
Highland Park, IL




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