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Subject: turbo/supercharging
From: Mitchel Seff <ms6453@optonline.net>
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:12:18 -0500
I absolutely agree with everything that has been said . The power band 
for supercharged & turbo charged engines are different, although 
improved turbo designs have widened the lower rpm power range. I can 
only speak from my SC experience.
When I first decided to attempt a SC engine reliability was & street 
ability was a priority. My original motor was tired so I decided to pull 
the engine & give it to a local speed shop I had known for years but had 
no personal mechanical experience with. Never having built a motor from 
the ground up & wanting my first summer with the new motor to go well I 
opted to let them build the motor. After getting the motor back it was 
in the car & driving with in a couple of weeks. The added power was 
intoxicating. The car ran well but never seemed 100%.  I learned allot 
over the next two years about how to build a motor the hard way. With in 
500 miles after putting a fresh motor in the motor developed leaks from 
the front engine block, rear seal & oil pan. The oil pressure was anemic 
& the car was using a QT of oil every 500 miles by next summer. I drove 
the car like this for two years until I couldn't take it any longer. It 
became evident that the engine rebuild was done poorly to say the least.
In the fall I pulled the motor again. After doing a tear down I 
discovered the handiwork of a looser. Five out of six top piston rings 
were cracked, the valve guides were knurled , not replaced, gaskets were 
missing & lots of silicone RTV was holding the motor together. The list 
goes on & on but you get the idea. It's amazing what black spray paint 
can hide.
This time I did my homework first. It was time for me to try my first 
engine rebuild. I located a machine shop that builds pro drag engines 
that was recommended through friends who had personal experience with 
them. I met with the owner for over an hour & discussed the rebuild & my 
past disaster. He was a great guy with a stellar reputation. He agreed 
to do the machine work & I would collect the parts a do the assembly, 
this way I could check everything and only blame myself.  We discussed 
specs & improved tolerances with a blower in mind. By assembling the 
motor piece by piece I saw things that could be improved or pay special 
attention to during the build. After all is said  and done , this has 
been the best mechanical experience I have ever had.
To make an all together long story short, this motor has about 15,000 
miles on it . It doesn't leak a drop, uses a Qt of oil every thousand 
miles & runs really strong. I don't abuse it , but it is driven the way 
it was intended. The key to a solid engine rebuild is quality parts, 
preparation & execution. The motor has to be built for the end result in 
mind. If an experienced mechanic builds a motor with badly machined 
parts & sloppy tolerances the end result is a piece of crap.
This motor uses 6-7 lbs of boost , produces gobs of torque & HP between 
2,500-5,000 rpm . Keep in mind that a typical normally aspirated high 
performance engine has higher compression & more carbueration to make 
high rpm HP. The blower makes user friendly street HP with out winding 
up to rpm extremes. I'm using 7.75:1 stock compression & can pull a tree 
out of the ground at 2,500 rpm. The boost & increased stress is 
momentary. A high compression performance motor is under additional 
stress all the time & especially at high rpm. The comparison I'm making 
are for street performance motors. I'm not sure how this would apply to 
race engines & how a SC triumph engine would perform under long time 
constant boost.
Time will tell what long range effects will have but I will be honest & 
report the good as well as the bad. Keep in mind that Dick Taylor has 
been running a turbo's 6 for years with his engines lasting well over 
100,000 miles at higher boosts than I using.

-- 
Mitch Seff
Oceanside, N.Y.
75 TR6SC
http://www.triumphowners.com/384




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