Thanks for the insight Guys,
My set up is actually similar to Shane's, '75 engine, smog stuff removed,
K&N air filters, Pertronix Ignitor, I considered this still fairly stock. I
still have the engine mounted fan, and cast exhaust manifold with stock
style pipes and muffler (the pipes and muffler were on the car when I got it
a year and a half ago, so I don't know it's origins or specs). The carbs
seem in pretty good shape. The car idles well, and runs clean, so I'm not in
a hurry for a complete carb strip and rebuild. It sounds like a more open
exhaust, and loosing the engine mounted fan could be the least expensive
improvements without pulling the motor (not this year anyway). My TR6 is a
rolling resto project, so there are lots of things to spend money on, I
still haven't decided the exact route of the project, safety, and
reliability are first, then it's a toss up between cosmetics, or
performance, both will come in time, which gets the money first is the
question.
Thanks again Guys, Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Macholdt [mailto:vze2846b@verizon.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 7:53 PM
To: 6pack list
Subject: Re: TRF headers [was "Magic Clutch" Kit by TRF]
Shane,
I think your estimate of $100 per 1hp is a bit off. I did the following to
my engine this winter:
1- Shaved the head to get about 9.5-1 compression $80
2- SS header and exhaust from Rimmer (free shipping) $500
3- GP2 cam/ double springs/ tappets/ tubular push rods $425
3- Misc pieces $200
Total cost about $1,200 (Ouch- I hate adding this stuff up)
Anyway, if you look at the power curve in the Kastner manual, this work
pushes the hp from stock of 105 to about 129 at 4500RPM an increase of 24hp.
If you look at the total hp increase it is more like 40hp. Based upon my
costs, this works out to $30 for each horse. Of course, I did the assembly
work myself.
Peter
'68 TR250
PS- I didn't include the Jet-Hot on the header $200 or the re-chromed valve
cover (don't even ask!)
on 10/3/02 4:03 PM, Shane Ingate at madmax_xx@hotmail.com wrote:
> Brian,
>
> I expect that Bob Lang will disagree with me (and Bob does know his
stuff),
> but "Kas" Kastener does advise that the stock header is "good enough"
except
> for the very dedicated track racer. Most people do not rev their TR6
motor
> above 5,000 rpm, so I do not think you will see any difference at all with
> headers (though it WILL sound better, which translates into more
> smiles-per-hour!).
>
> In an earlier email, Bob suggests that a stock motor, sans mechanical fan
> and headers, could gain an increase of 16 hp. I figure that 1 hp for the
> TR6 motor costs $100, so to get 16 hp, you would need to spend $1600,
which
> is clearly a lot more than a header and electrical fan alone.
>
> My stock motor with K&N filters, electronic ignition, rebuilt and
re-bushed
> carbs (which ran a near-perfect A/F ratio profile), open-exhaust and no
> mechanical fan, pulled 91 rwhp on the dyno (please see
> http://triumph.hottr6.com/tr6dyno.html for details).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Shane Ingate in Maryland
>
> On 10/3/02 15:36, "Brian Finck" <brian.finck@powerhouse.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hey Guys,
>>
>> I like the look and sound of my stock exhaust system, but would not be
>> opposed to a little more power. My engine is in stock trim, nothing with
>> stock exhaust. Would retaining the stock muffler set up totally defeat
the
>> effects a good header. I am totally aware that a properly tune exhaust,
>> along with head work, cam, carburetion, etc, etc, is the best way to make
>> really good power, but, would a good header, with the stock exhaust be
worth
>> spending money on, or would the increase be too small to bother with?
>>
>> Brian Finck
>> '75 BRG TR6
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Robert M. Lang [mailto:lang@isis.mit.edu]
>> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 2:05 PM
>> To: Shane Ingate
>> Cc: 6 Pack
>> Subject: Re: TRF headers [was "Magic Clutch" Kit by TRF]
>>
>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Shane Ingate wrote:
>>
>>
>> [stuff deleted]
>>
>>> The Group 44 headers move the powerband significantly to higher rpm than
>>> other headers currently available. I suspect that the builders of the
>> repro
>>> knew this, and attempted to shift the power-band to lower revs by using
a
>>> 1 7/8" collector. I have this system, and I believe it works as
intended,
>>> but in my mind it does negate the advantages of using 1 1/2" tubing. I
do
>>> not have any dyno information to support this statement.
>>
>> This is why some of us re-work the collector on the secondary pipes to
get
>> 2.5" pipes all the way to the back of the car.
>>
>> There's nothing wrong with power at 6000 RPMs.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>>> On a near-stock or mild motor, I doubt if you will notice any difference
>> in
>>> power over a cheaper header, but with a built motor and revised
collector,
>> I
>>> would expect to see significant difference on the dyno.
>>
>> Au contriare! A good header on a stock motor will yield power increases,
>> but these turn out to be at the upper range of the power curve.
>>
>> Remember a Fed. Spec TR6 is roughly 100 HP in stock form. Make it breathe
>> better and get rid of the fan and you're in the 120 HP range easily. The
>> header is probably the most important part of that equation. Throw on
>> Webers and a header and tuned exhaust and you can get that number into
the
>> 130 HP range.
>>
>>> Shane Ingate in Maryland
>>
>> rml in Boston
>>
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