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RE: Hesitating Starter

To: <tr6@kc4sw.com>, <6pack@autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: Hesitating Starter
From: "Bert Van der Stee" <bert.van.der.stee@pandora.be>
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 22:33:53 +0200
Hi,
the previously mentioned starter problems aren't over yet.

Yesterday I tried with jumper cables as addition to the normal battery
cables, to make sure the battery cables were not faulty.  No difference with
or without cables.

So today I put in the battery from the daily car (a 60 Ah battery while my
usual TR6 battery is a 74 Ah) and with more success. It regularly missed the
flywheel, but at least after a few times I could count on success.  Every
time I could rely on getting it running again, even though nog always from
the first time.

So the old battery went back in and ... it spun immediately ! Retried it and
again all OK.
So of course I had to take it for a short 15 minute spin and upon returning
home, the starter did not catch the flywheel any more of course!

So even with the guaranteed-OK battery it still was not fully cured but
acceptable.  I now know at least what to read in bed tonight ... Dan
Master's book and check it out "according to the book" !


Regards,

Bert Van der Stee
Belgium

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Hanselman [mailto:tr6@kc4sw.com]
Sent: lundi 24 juin 2002 4:41
To: bert.vanderstee@yucom.be; 6pack@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: Hesitating Starter


Bert,
You may have gotten answers to this already but...
When they re-buikt hte starter did you look closely at the armature.  Is it
possible that a winding is "loose" and so you have a higher resistance
winding?  or even worse a shorted winding?

just my two cents worth..
Steve Hanselman
tr6@kc4sw.com

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-6pack@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-6pack@autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of bert.vanderstee@yucom.be
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 1:41 PM
To: 6pack@autox.team.net
Subject: Hesitating Starter


Dear Triumph lovers,

I am looking for you advice about my strange starter
behaviour.

The symptoms were sometimes the starter engine
engaging but the flywheel not behing spun.  Letting
loose of the key and retrying cured this and off we
went.
This behaviour started when I got the car, about 5
years ago.  Over time this seemed to have gotten worse
until two weeks ago ... only the sound of the starter
engine.  Retrying did not help, unable to start.

So removing the starter engine to check it out - the
solenoid did not seem to do much except for clicking.
I had it rebuilt and reinstalled it yesterday.

Result ? Yes, it starts again.  But usually only on
the 3rd try! So what is the magic behind this ?
1- the visible teeth on flywheel looked in great shape
(and when feeling around they all had the same feeling
to them)
2- the visible teeth on th starter gear looked in
great shape
3- starter has been rebuilt (new bearings, new
solenoid, ...)

What am I missing here ?

Also many thanks to fellow lister and best friend
Dimitri for the help with removing and reinstalling !

Cheers,

Bert
Belgium


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